Is this the New Winston Churchill?

[ATAG_Doc]

The union was born from all the ashes of the wars in Europe that have happened forever and ever.

Mutual assured economic destruction.

Allow tiny states within a huge continent to rule themselves with no natural border other than some imaginary line. Have completely different cultures, languages, races, history, currency, leaders and a splash of animosity for past history and a dash of nationalism and you have a tinderbox.

But try to bond them economically, have a common currency, remove borders and allow restricted movement of people in hope the experiment leads to the loss of all these deep seated identities over several generations.

Finally have one union with leaders for all the people and it might me manageable.

Only time will tell.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Doc

But try to bond them economically, have a common currency, remove borders and allow restricted movement of people in hope the experiment leads to the loss of all these deep seated identities over several generations.

Lose identity?
That's something adorable?

*pukes*

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by swiss

Lose identity?
That's something adorable?

*pukes*

As if. I am a Düsseldorfer. Can't say Cologne ever bothered to culture up and share that identity. Oddly enough, being in one country did not change much of that.

That threat of loss of identity is pure fear mongering.

[ParaB]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

That threat of loss of identity is pure fear mongering.

But it works.

Apparently.

[Kupsised]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

As if. I am a Düsseldorfer. Can't say Cologne ever bothered to culture up and share that identity. Oddly enough, being in one country did not change much of that.

That threat of loss of identity is pure fear mongering.

Ironically it seems to come from us Brits quite a lot as well. I would like to pose any British person the question, that under the United Kingdom, with our common currency, the Pound, have the Scottish, Welsh and English lost their identity?

Given that Scottish nationalist parties rule in Scotland and Welsh nationalist parties are very popular in Wales, I'd say not. Whilst adopting a British nationality, we haven't abandoned our English, Welsh or Scottish ones. Why can't it be the same for Europe?

(NOTE: I intentionally left out Northern Ireland since 'Northern Irish' identity is somewhat of a sensitive issue.)

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Kupsised

Ironically it seems to come from us Brits quite a lot as well. I would like to pose any British person the question, that under the United Kingdom, with our common currency, the Pound, have the Scottish, Welsh and English lost their identity?

Given that Scottish nationalist parties rule in Scotland and Welsh nationalist parties are very popular in Wales, I'd say not. Whilst adopting a British nationality, we haven't abandoned our English, Welsh or Scottish ones. Why can't it be the same for Europe?

(NOTE: I intentionally left out Northern Ireland since 'Northern Irish' identity is somewhat of a sensitive issue.)

It must not, that is the point.
Germany once was the Holy Roman Empire of german nation, then a bunch of indepdendant mini states, then part of empires and nations, these days the EU. Still, a guy from Hamburg and a guy from Munich are as distinguihsable in fashion, language and customs as they ever were.
Lately, however, some ppl have started to define tools as identity.

Currencies are a tool, so are financial systems in general. They were built for a purpose.
If they are marked as "identity", then you start having a problem, because tools are instruments geared to fullfill a task within a then present reality.
Realities, however, change over time and if your focus is to let things stay the way there are simply to let them stay the way they are, then you lose the ability to adapt to new sitations. That is the moment you lose out.

That is the reason why the US is losing out currently, that also is the reason why the UK and much of western Europe is losing out, because they do not adapt to the realities of a rising China and a developing third world in general, but want to stay in the cozy 80ies.

Evolution at its finest.

But yeah, suprisingly enough, it is the british foremost stating this fear of loss of identity. Yet have to hear it from any other European. I suppose when you live here and see things at work, you are much more at ease with realities compared to that rather theoretical british approach.

Originally Posted by ParaB

But it works.

Apparently.

Populism and herd instinct. Switch off your brain and let others do the thinking (deciding) for you. Working like a charm since Adam and Eve(TM).

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

But yeah, suprisingly enough, it is the british foremost stating this fear of loss of identity. Yet have to hear it from any other European.

One world, one race, one nation.
My a...

[MB_Avro_UK]

The Euro is dying.

It will soon be dead.

As soon as the British Pound is worth Two Euros, i will leave my Island Home and live in Germany.

Best Regards,
MB_Euro.