Is this the New Winston Churchill?

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

It's bad because everybody has his/her own idea about starting anew. There is no thinking behind it, just a certain urge. It is like invading Afghanistan or Iraq without a Plan to rebuild it. Plain romanatics.

Greece is expiriencing something of that sort currently, and people do not appear to be too happy about it. And if I remember right, the ppl living in the aftermath of WW2 were not too happy, either.

Pardon my ignorance man,what exactly is romanatics?

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Pardon my ignorance man,what exactly is romanatics?

this

[chantaje]

"Without being radical or overly bold, I will tell you that the Third World War has already started--a silent war, not for that reason any the less sinister. This war is tearing down Brazil, Latin America and practically all the Third World. Instead of soldiers dying there are children, instead of millions of wounded there are millions of unemployed; instead of destruction of bridges there is the tearing down of factories, schools, hospitals and entire economies .... It is a war by the United States against the Latin American continent and the Third World. It is a war over the foreign debt, one which has as its main weapon interest, a weapon more deadly than the atom bomb, more shattering than a laser beam."
-- Brazilian President Luiz Ignácio Lula da Silva (Lula), comment from 1989 when he was a labor leader and leading dissident in Brazil

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

It's bad because everybody has his/her own idea about starting anew. There is no thinking behind it, just a certain urge. It is like invading Afghanistan or Iraq without a Plan to rebuild it. Plain romanatics.

Problem is - you cant plan a new start.
You have to try and see what happens, maybe we end up with the current status quo, maybe we dont.
As a side effect we lose a big part of the population which is a good thing, gives the rest of the living beings on this planet a few decades to breath through.
We cant really lose.

[addman]

Problem is very complex. We have gotten used to a way of living that is in no way sustainable for either the environment nor for the economic growth everybody's trothing for. Next big conflict will be about energy resources because we are too stupid and too greedy to figure out how to co-exist and limit our extreme living habits that we have gotten used to and that now countries like India, China and Brazil are getting used to.

The means of our existent can't be based on exploiting and destroying (I'm no treehugger mind you). Some "experts" are saying we are on our way out of the economic crisis that followed after the 2008 crash but fact is we are now in a recession that will never end, there maybe smaller "up-spikes" but fact its we are done. Hey yanks, stop complaining about the gas prices, they will never go down again, only up, get used to it. At least we have room to regulate the gas prices a bit here "thanks" to our huge gas taxes but it's just a temporary fix to an enormous problem.

Laugh all you want but the future of humanity lies in smaller almost self-sustainable communities. If things will continue on as they are doing now people will learn the hard way about moderate living but since most people are used to overconsumption this will most certainly be the case. The future of our civilization can't rest on such fragile foundations as exploitation and greed, it will fall like many other before it and people will start a new and learn nothing from it, as usual.

P.S Ideals are dead, greed rules and politicians are all out of ideas!

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by swiss

Problem is - you cant plan a new start.
You have to try and see what happens, maybe we end up with the current status quo, maybe we dont.
As a side effect we lose a big part of the population which is a good thing, gives the rest of the living beings on this planet a few decades to breath through.
We cant really lose.

That is so cynical I can't even start to ponder what brought you to that attitude.
So you are easily taking into account the loss of a big part of the population? I suppose you do not have a problem being part of that? And you expect a large part of the population sharing your sentiments?

I like my life, I'd like to keep it a bit longer, so no, I do not think that is worth consideration.

Why don't you instead of such talk just go into politics or local interest groups and try to convience some ppl to change that kind of behaviour, the one creating this circle of creation and destruction brought by war? This planet is quickly becoming too highly developed and too ressource depleted to start anew ad infinitum.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by addman

P.S Ideals are dead, greed rules and politicians are all out of ideas!

That pretty much sums up your post. And then everybody complains about things being so grim while happily playing along.

[addman]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

That pretty much sums up your post. And then everybody complains about things being so grim while happily playing along.

Yes, because that's what we've been taught and it is the only thing we know.

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by swiss

...

As a side effect we lose a big part of the population which is a good thing
....

Presumably you see yourself very firmly in the group that survives then...

...or are you going to selflessly volunteer yourself as part of the few million (billion?) who die?

[Hood]

Originally Posted by kendo65

Presumably you see yourself very firmly in the group that survives then...

...or are you going to selflessly volunteer yourself as part of the few million (billion?) who die?

Darwinism in action I'd say.