Is this the New Winston Churchill?

[swiss]

bingo.
I prefer the terms "North Euro" and "South Euro" though.

lebensraum

"das volk braucht platz" <> oil or SE fi.
I wasnt about that anyway, in the west at least. Just about power.
The pacific war on the other hand has some parallels.

we're already fighting WW3 me thinks

True, this is most likely what they will write in future history books.

[Bewolf]

WWIII?

this?

seriously?

Are ppl that desperate to have some epic history in their CVs that a financial crisis is now called a war? Banana divisions marching?

So, then the US with Lehmann Brothers fired the first shot and will be dragged to Nuremberg?

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

WWIII?

this?

seriously?

Wars start 10-15 years before the 1st bullet is fired.


PS:

So, then the US with Lehmann Brothers fired the first shot and will be dragged to Nuremberg?

Maybe your picture of a future world war is wrong.
It wont be one huge battlefield but dozens of smaller ones.

[Kupsised]

Originally Posted by brando

We must fight back in the bureaux of government, Addman. Not so long ago the Brussels mob tried to control the length and straightness of the bananas that we Britons could purchase in our stores and supermarkets.

Noting this, and preferring the magnificent curves of the Jamaican variety to the stubby digits presumably grown in the now defunct marijuana factories of Holland; our government spoke out in Europe and gained an exemption.

I'm not sure whether we sent N.Farage to insult the Belgian Prime minister or something - but we won.

Winston would simply have sent the Royal Navy to blockade the Belgian ports.

B

The bananas thing is flat out untrue. See here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6481969.stm

EDIT: Also, if it were true, under the principle of direct effect, Britain would never have an opt out of that legislation. That's not how the EU works. All directives and regulations proposed by the EU have to be implemented in national law else the members states get taken to court and heavily fined. And anyway, any legislation made by the EU has to be ratified by both the Council and the Parliament in the EU. The Council is made up of representatives of each of the member states governments, the parliament is directly elected by the people. Nothing the EU passes is magically created out of the bureaucracy.

As for Winston blockading the Belgian ports, it might be worth remembering that Churchill was one of the major advocates for a United States of Europe, something much more extreme than we have now. A lot of anti-EU Conservative supporters seem to forget that, or at least willfully ignore it, but Churchill was extremely pro-europe and would have been pro-EU if he had been around long enough, if not even potentially criticising it for not going far enough.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by swiss

It wont be one huge battlefield but dozens of smaller ones.

Well, then we have been in constant world war since man learend how to use a stick.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Well, then we have been in constant world war since man learend how to use a stick.

Constantly at war yes, "world war" - maybe not.
Anyway - what is your outlook for next four decades to come?
Peace and unity?

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Kupsised

The bananas thing is flat out untrue. See here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6481969.stm

EDIT: Also, if it were true, under the principle of direct effect, Britain would never have an opt out of that legislation. That's not how the EU works. All directives and regulations proposed by the EU have to be implemented in national law else the members states get taken to court and heavily fined. And anyway, any legislation made by the EU has to be ratified by both the Council and the Parliament in the EU. The Council is made up of representatives of each of the member states governments, the parliament is directly elected by the people. Nothing the EU passes is magically created out of the bureaucracy.

Quoted for truth, though unlucky national governments have developed a tendency over the last 20 years to direct any illdoings of thermselves at the EU whenever it comes to elections.

People in here should know a bit about history and learned a thing or two, amongst them foremost the principles that if something goes wrong..blame somebody outside the country! Still, to this day that works like a charm, in Germany, in the UK, in France, in all of Europe and the US, in Russia (remember, it was foreigners at fault for mass protests against Putin....). Case in point this thread.

And then I get asked in PMs why I am often so hostile.
I have to ask back, how can you not if people don't ever manage to move above Bild, Daily Mail, Fox News and whatever else "news"papers levels.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by swiss

Constantly at war yes, "world war" - maybe not.
Anyway - what is your outlook for next four decades to come?
Peace and unity?

I lost faith in my predictions a long time ago. Things can change so quickly and unpredictably that it makes not much sense in looking to the future or develop any kind of fatalism.

Actually, I can't stand predictions, because more often then not they become self fullfilling prophecies. People start to believe something will happen, and that alone often has the effect to actually make it happen.

What is worrysome in this regard is that in many places of the western world there developed a Lust for Armageddon, tear everything down and start anew. Just look at the TV series and movies coming out lately, there is more in there about world destruction then for the last 50 yerars combined. If that is any indication for peoples current mood, then I do not wonder a bit about the current state of the western world.

Ppl atm are not driven by facts or attempts to fix the problems we have, but mere emotion. That hardly ever solved anything. Though I do develop an understanding why, for example, ppl cheered all over Europe when WWI broke out. It appears at certain points in history men simply loses his ability to think things through out of pure frustration.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

People start to believe something will happen, and that alone often has the effect to actually make it happen.

What is worrysome in this regard is that in many places of the western world there developed a Lust for Armageddon, tear everything down and start anew.

What's so bad about this vision?

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by swiss

What's so bad about this vision?

It's bad because everybody has his/her own idea about starting anew. There is no thinking behind it, just a certain urge. It is like invading Afghanistan or Iraq without a Plan to rebuild it. Plain romanatics.

Greece is expiriencing something of that sort currently, and people do not appear to be too happy about it. And if I remember right, the ppl living in the aftermath of WW2 were not too happy, either.