You know it's a good kill when...

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by 6S.Manu

This is another thing that keeps me away from CloD.

Models are a bunch of numbers and we already witness that some FM numbers are not correct because of the plane's attitude: what about the data that we can't easily verify like the DM model?

Who does assure me that the developer has put a 5 there like he should? And if he put another number why did he? He did voluntarily or not?... see the explosion range of the IL2's bombs...

That keeps you away from Cliffs?

Well the same problem was there in IL2, right? But you bought it?

If you played IL2 then you should know that these developers are always willing to at least look at issues if there is evidence of a flaw. So if you think the DM has a flaw then conduct tests.

[Jaws2002]

Originally Posted by Insuber

Maybe it's me, but last weekend I ran full throttle (auto prop pitch) for 10+ min across the channel at low alt on my 109 E-4 and a Hurri gaining on my 6 ... and 2 other 109's behind the Hurri, trying to catch up ... saved only by other 109s zooming the magic hurri. I started with high speed after a dive, and a comfortable margin, by the way. Hey it's not to whine (I don't care, my bad for ending up like that), but the FM is still seriously flawed. I will try to organise some tests.

The auto pitch is too lazy. Don't be surprised you couldn't outrun a manually flown Rotol Hurri.
If you fly the 109 on manual, the Hurri can't get anywhere near you.

Don't blame the game for that. It was all you.

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by Jaws2002

The auto pitch is too lazy. Don't be surprised you couldn't outrun a manually flown Rotol Hurri.
If you fly the 109 on manual, the Hurri can't get anywhere near you.

Don't blame the game for that. It was all you.

Agreed it was nice to not keep an eye on the PP for the first 5 mins then you realize how buggy it is... odd that I still use it it still sticks at 12:00 and 8:30.

[CaptainDoggles]

I don't think it's buggy, I just think it reflects the limitations of the real system.

Jaws, what is the best configuration for best speed?

[skouras]

Originally Posted by Jaws2002

The auto pitch is too lazy. Don't be surprised you couldn't outrun a manually flown Rotol Hurri.
If you fly the 109 on manual, the Hurri can't get anywhere near you.

Don't blame the game for that. It was all you.

never use the AUTOPITCH here[only sometimes]
to much E3 i guess

[ElAurens]

Originally Posted by Jaws2002

The auto pitch is too lazy. Don't be surprised you couldn't outrun a manually flown Rotol Hurri.
If you fly the 109 on manual, the Hurri can't get anywhere near you.

Don't blame the game for that. It was all you.

Bingo.

I have been flat out run by 109s many many times. Sure I've caught some as well, but it is work to do so, it's not like you press the magic button and get jet assist. I'm adjusting trim, prop, mix, rads and throttle constantly. It's one of the things I really enjoy about the sim.

Kills of all sorts were far too easy in IL2.

[Flanker35M]

S!

Bf109E-4 could outspeed, outdive, outclimb, roll faster than Hurricane. Hurricane could ONLY turn better. So really wondering the "super-Hurricane" in game almost beating the legendary Spitfire

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by Flanker35M

S!

Bf109E-4 could outspeed, outdive, outclimb, roll faster than Hurricane. Hurricane could ONLY turn better. So really wondering the "super-Hurricane" in game almost beating the legendary Spitfire

The Molders quote is about the onset rate of rolling. I've recently read that once it reached it's full rate of roll, the Hurricane rolled faster than the 109. My memory is terrible, I can't remember where I read that, I'll have a look.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawker_...tle_of_Britain

As a fighter, the Hurricane had some drawbacks. It was slower than both the Spitfire I and II and the Messerschmitt Bf 109E, and the thick wings compromised acceleration, but it could out-turn both of them. In spite of its performance deficiencies against the Bf 109, the Hurricane was still capable of destroying the German fighter, especially at lower altitudes. The standard tactic of the 109s was to attempt to climb higher than the RAF fighters and "bounce" them in a dive; the Hurricanes could evade such tactics by turning into the attack or going into a "corkscrew dive", which the 109s, with their lower rate of roll, found hard to counter.

[Flanker35M]

S!

The start of the roll in Hurricane was more sluggish than Bf109E-4. Also the acceleration was far from Bf109E-4. Finnish test reports say that the thick wing had huge drag compared to Brewster, Fiat G.50 or other planes. Finns liked the performance above 3km(10kft) where the plane was better. But at low altitude considered too slow and sluggish due high weight and not so strong engine(Merlin III).

Another interesting thing is from the acquisition of the Hurricanes for FiAF. The Brits themselves said that most of their Hurricanes in squadron service were at average 20mph slower than published test data. For comparison the 5min power setting gave 450km/h at SL so the average plane would do some 420-430km/h.

Climb was on a new nice and dandy plane some 12m/s at SL, ~11m/s at 1km, 10m/s at 2km etc. Just for comparison.

But as said..Devs will work on FM etc. so after this we can see how it will be.

[Jaws2002]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

I don't think it's buggy, I just think it reflects the limitations of the real system.

Jaws, what is the best configuration for best speed?

I agree. Remember this is the first auto prop pitch installed on 109, so I wouldn't expect it to be as eficient as the straight manual pitch.

I don't know the best configuration for speed, but I noticed the auto pitch keeps the revs too high most of the time. I usually keep it around 2100-2300RPM, unless i'm climbing, diving or turning, when i adjust depending on speed and angle of climb/dive. I usuall adjust it all the time depending on what I do and how cool is my engine, so can't really tell.

But remember I have limited time in 109. I spent a lot more time in 110 and even Hurricane, now that the teams are so ofter unbalanced.

There are plenty other people that fly alot more than me, specially in fly 109 and know the performance range much better.

I fly more for easy, quick fun, not performance or competition so doing what i do WILL get you killed all the time.

You know, that unhealthy, low flaps turnfight on the deck in 110, against Spits and Hurricanes.