The Battle of Britain Was The First Defeat For The German Luftwaffe.

[SEE]

1. Hitler Conquers Europe - success!

2. Invasion of Britain - Fail (with serious Consequences)

3. Hitler invades Russia - mistake!

4. Hitler forms alliance/treaty with Japan - huge mistake.

5. Japan Attacks Pearl Harbour - (its all down hill from here on!)

6. Britain is an Aircraft carrier plonked right next door to Europe......Its end game due to 2 above.

7. A few High Ranking Officers see the outcome and attempt to assassinate Hitler......(another fail, but good idea)

The beginning of the end plays out.....


Whats to argue about?

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by SEE

1. Hitler Conquers Europe - success!

2. Invasion of Britain - Fail (with serious Consequences)

3. Hitler invades Russia - mistake!

4. Hitler forms alliance/treaty with Japan - huge mistake.

5. Japan Attacks Pearl Harbour - (its all down hill from here on!)

6. Britain is an Aircraft carrier plonked right next door to Europe......Its end game due to 2 above.

7. A few High Ranking Officers see the outcome and attempt to assassinate Hitler......(another fail, but good idea)

The beginning of the end plays out.....


Whats to argue about?

Now that is a summary!

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Now that is a summary!

it is pure and simple, but some seem to have a problem with it's simplicity, they need a few ifs and buts thrown in with a liberal sprinkle of excuses and masses of denial.

Some horrible posts here.

Then:

Personally I never understood the "being proud to be XY" or "being proud of my country's past" etc.

What I'd like to say: I am proud of

- having done well at university

- having success x and y in my job

- being the best in this and that.

But the reason of being proud (or the opposite being ashamed) of something that I did have no part in and could not have had because I am too young for it eludes me completely. How can one be proud or ashamed of the deeds of somebody else? One may be grateful though ...

I do understand that one loves his country and wants the best for it but this has nothing to do with proudness or shamefulness for something long in the past.

This as a side note.

I wished some people just could take a few steps back and look at things from a distance.

Then we could have a civilized discussion here without bitching around ...

[bongodriver]

What I'd like to say: I am proud of

- having done well at university

- having success x and y in my job

- being the best in this and that.

thats really just a selfish pride, but being proud of the deeds of your forebears who fought for a noble cause seems just fine to me.

Originally Posted by bongodriver

thats really just a selfish pride, but being proud of the deeds of your forebears who fought for a noble cause seems just fine to me.

strange.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Stormcrow

strange.

selfishness = thinking of yourself above others, akin to nacissism etc

appreciating the actions of another is not selfish.......what's so strange

Originally Posted by bongodriver

selfishness = thinking of yourself above others, akin to nacissism etc

appreciating the actions of another is not selfish.......what's so strange

we obviously have a very different notion of the word "proud" then. Otherwise I really cannot follow your logic.

Most people I talk to that claim to be proud of the deeds of others just do that: try to put themselves on a higher podest than others ("WE did this and that" saying just "YOU are not equal in this") while using the deeds of others for just that. Now how this should be something applaudable I cannot understand.

EDIT: Please take a dictionary and check the words "to appreciate" and "to be proud of". According to mine they have a completely different meaning. For me "to be proud of" is the opposite of "to be ashamed of". The first expresses a feeling of superiority, the other the opposite. This has nothing to do with "to appreciate"

[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by SEE

1. Hitler Conquers Europe - success!

2. Invasion of Britain - Fail (with serious Consequences)

3. Hitler invades Russia - mistake!

4. Hitler forms alliance/treaty with Japan - huge mistake.

5. Japan Attacks Pearl Harbour - (its all down hill from here on!)

6. Britain is an Aircraft carrier plonked right next door to Europe......Its end game due to 2 above.

7. A few High Ranking Officers see the outcome and attempt to assassinate Hitler......(another fail, but good idea)

The beginning of the end plays out.....


Whats to argue about?

Yup that's it, but end game is due to 2 and 3, because when Hitler haven't invaded the Soviet Union and all Troops he lost there, would have been in the Normandy 1944, maybe there would have been an second Dieppe Fiasco in a much larger Scale.
Horryfing thaught.