The Battle of Britain Was The First Defeat For The German Luftwaffe.

[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Yeah well for the record there are some aspects of the British education system that suck balls, there is a weird liberalism phenomenon in this country that is teaching it's bad to have National pride....'might upset the foreigners you know! whatwhat', may as well knock down the cenotaph.

I don't know but more and more you sound like one of those White Pride Guys.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Kongo-Otto

I don't know but more and more you sound like one of those White Pride Guys.

Like I really value your oppinion.

[bongodriver]

People who are passionate and proud about their country and history talk about "victory" "d-day" "freedom" "spitfire" etc... it's the shallow propaganda fascination that is appealing to the masses. Historians go beyond this,the risk of a biased judgement is far too great,it's necessary to research,analyse events within their historical context,leaving hindsight for conclusions,but it's dangerous to use hindsight to judge upon history.

No...this really only seems to upset people when someone British mentions it, for the rest of the world National pride is just fine and patriotic.

[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Like I really value your oppinion.

Well you don't value any oppinion from other people, your just an ignorant.
Good Night White Pride.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Kongo-Otto

Well you don't value any oppinion from other people, your just an ignorant.
Good Night White Pride.

If you say so....bellend

[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

If you say so....bellend

Yes i love you too.

[SEE]

1. Hitler Conquers Europe - success!

2. Invasion of Britain - Fail (with serious Consequences)

3. Hitler invades Russia - mistake!

4. Hitler forms alliance/treaty with Japan - huge mistake.

5. Japan Attacks Pearl Harbour - (its all down hill from here on!)

6. Britain is an Aircraft carrier plonked right next door to Europe......Its end game due to 2 above.

7. A few High Ranking Officers see the outcome and attempt to assassinate Hitler......(another fail, but good idea)

The beginning of the end plays out.....


Whats to argue about?

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by SEE

1. Hitler Conquers Europe - success!

2. Invasion of Britain - Fail (with serious Consequences)

3. Hitler invades Russia - mistake!

4. Hitler forms alliance/treaty with Japan - huge mistake.

5. Japan Attacks Pearl Harbour - (its all down hill from here on!)

6. Britain is an Aircraft carrier plonked right next door to Europe......Its end game due to 2 above.

7. A few High Ranking Officers see the outcome and attempt to assassinate Hitler......(another fail, but good idea)

The beginning of the end plays out.....


Whats to argue about?

Now that is a summary!

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Now that is a summary!

it is pure and simple, but some seem to have a problem with it's simplicity, they need a few ifs and buts thrown in with a liberal sprinkle of excuses and masses of denial.

Some horrible posts here.

Then:

Personally I never understood the "being proud to be XY" or "being proud of my country's past" etc.

What I'd like to say: I am proud of

- having done well at university

- having success x and y in my job

- being the best in this and that.

But the reason of being proud (or the opposite being ashamed) of something that I did have no part in and could not have had because I am too young for it eludes me completely. How can one be proud or ashamed of the deeds of somebody else? One may be grateful though ...

I do understand that one loves his country and wants the best for it but this has nothing to do with proudness or shamefulness for something long in the past.

This as a side note.

I wished some people just could take a few steps back and look at things from a distance.

Then we could have a civilized discussion here without bitching around ...