The Battle of Britain Was The First Defeat For The German Luftwaffe.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Yeah well for the record there are some aspects of the British education system that suck balls, there is a weird liberalism phenomenon in this country that is teaching it's bad to have National pride....'might upset the foreigners you know! whatwhat', may as well knock down the cenotaph.

Serious historians aren't politically biased in their judgements,the point you're making has become the scapegoat of petty polemics. I think that in the end facts are there,we can give these facts all the interpretations that we want,but they won't change. We're arguing over petty definitions here..

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Serious historians aren't politically biased in their judgements,the point you're making has become the scapegoat of petty polemics. I think that in the end facts are there,we can give these facts all the interpretations that we want,but they won't change. We're arguing over petty definitions here..

Well youre the one trying to convince us that the terms 'victory' etc don't apply, newsflash.....you are the one making petty definitions, the war was lost by the germans = 'victory' for the allies, simple fact, youv'e spent too much time with those hairy shirted types irt seems.....here's a nice simple example for you, would you turn round to an American and tell him the independence day celebrations are invalid? because there is no such thing as victory? you really think an American isn't just going to cut you a new 'A'hole on the spot?.....

[bongodriver]

The danger of writing history is that you need to be careful not to follow at all costs the doctrine of "we won, we're the good ones".

Whoa there fella!......we were the 'good ones' at the start of it, the German claim to regaining lost territory ended at the French border, I don't recall France ever belonging to Germany (though I might add parts of it did belong to the Brittons....Brittany), I don't recal the world asking the Germans to rid the world of Jews either, whatever way you look at it Hitler was a massive mistake and the Germans jumped in with both feet.

oh and the clichet about me not being able to cope with a different oppinion is wearing a little thin, it's a typically weak argument used when theres little left in the inventory

[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Whoa there fella!......we were the 'good ones' at the start of it, the German claim to regaining lost territory ended at the French border, I don't recall France ever belonging to Germany (though I might add parts of it did belong to the Brittons....Brittany),

Of course you don't know, but first of all it was not about regaining the whole French Nation, it was about Alsace Lorraine. I don't know how many wars have been fought between France and Germany about it.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Kongo-Otto

Of course you don't know, but first of all it was not about regaining the whole French Nation, it was about Alsace Lorraine. I don't know how many wars have been fought between France and Germany about it.

Well I guess at some point you lost it....bo hoo!, get over it....oh sorry you can't have lost apparently, you must have made some carefully deliberated plan where you allowed a set number of combatants to die before just giving up in a fashion that really meant a draw.

[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by Kongo-Otto

Of course you don't know, but first of all it was not about regaining the whole French Nation, it was about Alsace Lorraine. I don't know how many wars have been fought between France and Germany about it.

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Well I guess at some point you lost it....bo hoo!, get over it....oh sorry you can't have lost apparently, you must have made some carefully deliberated plan where you allowed a set number of combatants to die before just giving up in a fashion that really meant a draw.

What the f...k are you talking about? More and more i become the feeling, that you are a heavily mentally disabled person.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Kongo-Otto

What the f...k are you talking about? More and more i become the feeling, that you are a heavily mentally disabled person.

more and more you prove that you are just a rude little person without the mental capacity to maintain a conversation without resorting to insults.

[Sven]

Interesting topic, I often question myself what Europe would look like if Hitler did succeed in his plans.
No European Union, instead; direct decisions, no democracy but just one party which decides how the economy is best used and less endless debates about the issues the nation runs into, and we would still retain a security force which would be albe to protect Europe against possible threads.
Would it work better then what we now have in Europe? I tend to think yes, but at the same time I would refuse to let my country get over-thrown by a foreign force.