Was Oleg Maddox too far ahead of his time?

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

paper aeroplanes?

imagine the fm whining.

Oh god, or wether 80gsm or 100gsm was in wide use at the time.

[furbs]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Very true, come to think of it why has nobody done a bletchley park simulator, that's arguably the kind of place where the war in europe was really fought from.

I would pay good money for Bongo to spend the next 6 years in Bletchley Park.

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer

2) Maybe the contribution of the Polish fighter pilots were insignificant to you but not to the BOB. They fought less than half the battle and their kill ratio per sortie was better than any german unit, it depends on your definition of success!

Not insignificant to me at all, don't put words into my mouth that i didn't say. However, I don't understand the relevance of it though, with regard to you saying BoB is the same as BoS, which is what we were talking about until your tangent. Care to explain?

And by the 'traditional' method of kills, German pilots were the most successful of BoB by individuals, kill ratios you may well be right. I certainly don't disagree about the contribution of the Poles, but you should also add the Czechs to that as well, since we're talking about performance, and 54 squadron as well, who only fought half the battle as well, and were the top scoring squadron before they were withdrawn from the battle at the start of Sept.

But as interesting as this all is, what's it got to do with Stalingrad, being such a bad theatre?

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by furbs

I would pay good money for Bongo to spend the next 6 years in Bletchley Park.

Then my work is almost done.......

[Frequent_Flyer]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

Not insignificant to me at all, don't put words into my mouth that i didn't say. However, I don't understand the relevance of it though, with regard to you saying BoB is the same as BoS, which is what we were talking about until your tangent. Care to explain?

And by the 'traditional' method of kills, German pilots were the most successful of BoB by individuals. I certainly don't disagree about the contribution of the Poles, but you should also add the Czechs to that as well, since we're talking about performance, and 54 squadron as well, who only fought half the battle as well, and were the top scoring squadron before they were withdrawn from the battle at the start of Sept.

Your sarcastic and cynical responses left me with the impression a serious relevant exchange was not your intention.

[arthursmedley]

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer

The most significant battles of WW II were political, the war was the sideshow.

Interesting. Care to elaborate further?

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer

Your sarcastic and cynical responses left me with the impression a serious relevant exchange was not your intention.

Which sarcastic and cynical responses were those?

I disagreed with you that the type of fighting in the air in the BoB is the same in the BoS, due to the huge land battle that was going on underneath and have stated so.

You are the one that went of on a tangent designed to inflame, which i choose to ignore the very obvious intention of, giving you the benefit of doubt, and i am quite willing to keep discussing the issue at hand.

For the record, i would of chosen N Africa, but the decision's 1C's, and they've already made it a long time ago.

[Frequent_Flyer]

Originally Posted by arthursmedley

Interesting. Care to elaborate further?

If Europe intervenes after the invasion of Poland or even Czech. maybe BOB never happens.After murdering a good majority of his core officers Stalin feels the need to enter into a non aggression pact with Germany. They both attack Poland concurently. Europe takes no action regarding both aggressive invasions. In the late 30's Japan attacks/invades China. The US sides with China and blockades the Japanese homeland. Obstensively triggering the attack on Pearil Harbor. This act leads to profoundly stupid and unnecessary declaration of war against the US by Germany. Up until this point the US politicians could not get the support necessary for war. etc.

[Frequent_Flyer]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

Which sarcastic and cynical responses were those?

I disagreed with you that the type of fighting in the air in the BoB is the same in the BoS, due to the huge land battle that was going on underneath and have stated so.

You are the one that went of on a tangent designed to inflame, which i choose to ignore the very obvious intention of, giving you the benefit of doubt, and i am quite willing to keep discussing the issue at hand.

For the record, i would of chosen N Africa, but the decision's 1C's, and they've already made it a long time ago.

The vast majority of flight sims are purchase by the individual who play offline building missions. Both battles were fought by essentially only two combatants, flying short distances attacking/defending grond targets.You have a large city eating up computer resources adding little to game play. Little if any diversity in mission building, monotonous maps, very little variety in aircraft.

Why would you be "inflamed" if I mentioned the Pole's in BOB, I was glad you reminded me of the Czech contribution.

I would much prefer N. Africa, and I tuely beleive it would bring in more revenue for 777?1c so they can eventually get to everyones personal favorite Battle.

[ElAurens]

Originally Posted by ZaltysZ

World is very small when it comes to development of combat flight sims.

The history for RoF devs goes like this: Gennadich Team -> neoqb -> 777 studios. Gennadich and neoqb were Russian teams. When 777 bought neoqb, only the name, "head", and what "head" says has changed. Core team remained the same.

Current list of 777 devs (involved in RoF at least): http://riseofflight.com/en/about/team

Some people are known in other flight sim communities:

Internal producer Albert Zhiltsov (aka Loft) was general manager in Gennadich Team. Lead level (game) designer Viktor Sechnoy (aka Viks) also belonged to Gennadich Team. Gennadich Team should be pretty well known in IL2 community as creators of ADW and IL2 Server Commander.

Project manager/lead tester Daniel Tuseyev (aka Han) worked in Eagle Dynamics (creators of LockOn/DCS) as lead tester. Lead engineer (FM guy) Andrey Solomykin (aka An.Petrovich) worked with FM in Eagle Dynamics.

Thank you sir.