Was Oleg Maddox too far ahead of his time?

[Frequent_Flyer]

Originally Posted by Feathered_IV

I hope they succeed. I like that they are starting small and intending to build upon it from there. RoF development has had a remarkably clear trajectory since 777 took over from NeoQB, and as long as this community does not try to murder it before its begun, I expect BoS will enjoy a similar progression. Modern simulations are becoming so complex that study-sims and the strategy of incremental builds are the only sensible way to go.

Why not start in the Med. theater? It seems a natural progression for the ROF crowd. They can fly the Italian CR ,and Gladiator and get their Bi-Wing fix. Diversify the missions to include the interdiction of shipping. Appeal to the RAF,US, Italian, German AUS.NZ,and South African interests broaden the customer base etc.

[nearmiss]

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer

Why not start in the Med. theater? It seems a natural progression for the ROF crowd. They can fly the Italian CR ,and Gladiator and get their Bi-Wing fix. Diversify the missions to include the interdiction of shipping. Appeal to the RAF,US, Italian, German AUS.NZ,and South African interests broaden the customer base etc.

If the COD code is released it should be a natural progression, since the scenery in the Mediterranean, Malta and Southern Italy are beautiful. The northern areas of Africa would be a real changeup as well. There were plenty of engagements over water and along the coastlines during the Mediterranean battles.

[Frequent_Flyer]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

If the COD code is released it should be a natural progression, since the scenery in the Mediterranean, Malta and Southern Italy are beautiful. The northern areas of Africa would be a real changeup as well. There were plenty of engagements over water and along the coastlines during the Mediterranean battles.

Would this be accomplished by third party? I thought the best looking maps in IL-2 were made by third party contributors. The Solomon's and Romania/Moldovia

[ElAurens]

1C will NEVER release the CloD code.

Why would they step on the toes of their own new development?

You lot have to get over it.

It's a dead duck.

Also, it's good to remember that 1C's primary, and most profitable market is Russia. Playing to thier home crowd makes very good economic and political sense.

Why not wait and see how things go instead of pushing the Pacific again?
You realize that the NG agreement is still in force so 1C has no incentive to go to the Pacific?

[Frequent_Flyer]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

1C will NEVER release the CloD code.

Why would they step on the toes of their own new development?

You lot have to get over it.

It's a dead duck.

Also, it's good to remember that 1C's primary, and most profitable market is Russia. Playing to thier home crowd makes very good economic and political sense.

Why not wait and see how things go instead of pushing the Pacific again?
You realize that the NG agreement is still in force so 1C has no incentive to go to the Pacific?

Selling more units would imply, more profitabilty. They would clearly sell more units of a globally appealling title. 777 can negotiate with NG regarding copyright infringments they are the Parent company , are they not?
As far as the pushing the Pacific, history has a way of repeating itself, for the good or otherwise. BOS is BOB covered in snow.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer

As far as the pushing the Pacific, history has a way of repeating itself, for the good or otherwise. BOS is BOB covered in snow.

yes, history does have a way of repeating itself...
It has been remarked that the most popular sim was CFS2 and what with long time fans seeking an upgrade to that, by way of better scenery and working online bombs, we got CFS3 (back to part of Europe[CFS1], which fell over. CFS2, was a Theatre of Operations.

After MG released Pacific Fighters, the PTO (now, the 'Theatre of Operations is the important bit) was immensly popular. We didn't get The Battle of the Coral Sea, or The Battle for Midway, or The Battle for this beach or The Battle for that Island... we got a Theatre of Operations (albeit with some limitations, like not enough of the northwest).

BoB (cod) was a battle, BoS was a battle... WWII was The Western front, The Eastern Front, The Mediterranean and The Pacific.

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer

As far as the pushing the Pacific, history has a way of repeating itself, for the good or otherwise. BOS is BOB covered in snow.

and the pacific was covered in popularity by users

[ZaltysZ]

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer

Selling more units would imply, more profitabilty. They would clearly sell more units of a globally appealling title. 777 can negotiate with NG regarding copyright infringments they are the Parent company , are they not?
As far as the pushing the Pacific, history has a way of repeating itself, for the good or otherwise. BOS is BOB covered in snow.

Pacific would not be a so globally appealing title as you think. Sure, US users would be crazy about it, but US is not a whole world, and if you take decreased attention span of current user base, Pacific might be unpopular even in US as it would cover large, monotonic areas (lots of water), include lots of IFR flying, and have low average target density. Player has to be either a hardcore simmer or be driven by national pride to enjoy that, and this does make PTO risky for the beginning of series.

[furbs]

If the BOS is a success, i can see a PTO in its future...right after the MED. i hope.

http://forum.il2sturmovik.net/topic/...nsion-modules/

[ElAurens]

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer

777 can negotiate with NG regarding copyright infringments they are the Parent company , are they not?

777 can barely raise the money to keep RoF afloat. No way can they afford to pay NG anything. Besides, they are operating under the 1C umbrella for this new venture, hence NG's previous "settlement" with them still applies.

It will be pretty hard to satisfy all you rabid PTO fans if they cannot model the correct carriers, battleships, aircraft, etc... for the USN, as most fall under NG copyright.

Pearl Harbor with KG V class battleships ring a bell?

[nearmiss]

777 is still a startup company.

They can do as they wish, but before it is over they will probably go over to the Pacific theatre. They will have no choice. They will have no big government or UbiSoft to front money to them.

If they stay with BOS, they will probably have to relocate or outsource large parts of their project to Russia. There they can hire programmers for 1/10 the wages in America. This makes it a great deal easier to acquire investors when the cost of development is low. The only problem "at this time", there are just "more" qualified people for game programming in America at ten times the wage. Maybe, they could outsource the graphic products, aircraft,vehicles,maps, etc. and have the actual flight and damage programming done in the US. The internet could make that viable way to do things, if the carefully planned things and communicated well. We are all familiar with Skype. You can send files, pictures, back and forth instantly from all over the world. This is greatly facilitated with broadband connections in the respective countries.

You can't perfect a product like COD, when you don't have the human resources that can do the work. We are experiencing that...right now, aren't we? Oleg ran out of the right kind of help as well after releasing IL2, that is why all we ever got until PF was graphic improvements. It was easy to hire people to draw pictures than program.

Luthier put alot of pazzazz into the old IL2 with Carrier Ops and a new cadre of aircraft. Yet, no other changes in the IL2 application,except Carrier Ops. I'm not ignoring the maps, but the best maps for PF came later when 3rd parties started pumping out map mods.

The 3rd party mods are preserving the IL2 as a viable air combat sim even by today's standards of graphic excellence. LOL

I realize this being an international forums there will be many dissenting voices to a Pacific theatre. Everyone wants his own country represented and in most cases has a strong motivation to see his own country's history shared in an air combat sim.

Sharp investors know to go with known successful projects or they get zip, nada or nothing in return. The gamer business is almost a boom or bust.