Was Oleg Maddox too far ahead of his time?

[ZaltysZ]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

I would say... you are just guessing on this. Maybe, you could share some facts to corroborate what you are saying.

Not calling you out or anything. I think you made an interesting point, and if it is as you say I would certainly think everyone would like to know more.

World is very small when it comes to development of combat flight sims.

The history for RoF devs goes like this: Gennadich Team -> neoqb -> 777 studios. Gennadich and neoqb were Russian teams. When 777 bought neoqb, only the name, "head", and what "head" says has changed. Core team remained the same.

Current list of 777 devs (involved in RoF at least): http://riseofflight.com/en/about/team

Some people are known in other flight sim communities:

Internal producer Albert Zhiltsov (aka Loft) was general manager in Gennadich Team. Lead level (game) designer Viktor Sechnoy (aka Viks) also belonged to Gennadich Team. Gennadich Team should be pretty well known in IL2 community as creators of ADW and IL2 Server Commander.

Project manager/lead tester Daniel Tuseyev (aka Han) worked in Eagle Dynamics (creators of LockOn/DCS) as lead tester. Lead engineer (FM guy) Andrey Solomykin (aka An.Petrovich) worked with FM in Eagle Dynamics.

[Frequent_Flyer]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

Hmmmm exactly, except for one of the largest and most pivotal land battles of WWII being fought below, as opposed to no land battle being fought below full stop, lol.

Of the top of my head can only really think of Kursk as being as, if not a more significant land battle in WWII.

And please don't say Normandy.

Let's not take our eye off the ball,were talking about flight sims, right. Unless you expect the building to building, hand to hand combat to be simulated. It certainly does not interest me.
The other major difference in BOB vs. BOS is the most successful pilots were Polish in BOB.

[arthursmedley]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

Of the top of my head can only really think of Kursk as being as, if not a more significant land battle in WWII.

And please don't say Normandy.

Most significant battles of WWII were BoB and BoM in winter of '41. Everything else was either a product of these two battles or a side-show.

[Frequent_Flyer]

Originally Posted by Sokol1

Nice (biased) POV, but the point is that major market for 1c today is Russia and Europe, not somewhere people grew up hearing that WWII start in Pearl Harbour (and end in Normandie -beachs). So Battle of Stalingrad make all sense.

In someone dont like the crap (and inferior, underarmed, blabla...) Russian Planes, fly German ones. Or go fly DCS P-51...

Sokol1

Rather biased, what makes you think the German planes were any better ?

[ZaltysZ]

BoS air warfare is something like this: Luftwaffe air superiority mostly until Soviet counteroffensive, lots of bombing/ground attack sorties for Luftwaffe, lots of night sorties for Soviets. Kuban would be way way better for dogfights.

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer

Let's not take our eye off the ball,were talking about flight sims, right. Unless you expect the building to building, hand to hand combat to be simulated. It certainly does not interest me.


The other major difference in BOB vs. BOS is the most successful pilots were Polish in BOB.

1) it makes a huge difference, because of groundpounding, tankbusting and close support, none of which was involved in BoB, and which you can recreate well in il2. Battle of Stalingrad wasn't just the City.

2) a) irrelevant and b) incorrect, they were German.

[Frequent_Flyer]

Originally Posted by arthursmedley

Most significant battles of WWII were BoB and BoM in winter of '41. Everything else was either a product of these two battles or a side-show.

The most significant battles of WW II were political, the war was the sideshow.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer

The most significant battles of WW II were political, the war was the sideshow.

Very true, come to think of it why has nobody done a bletchley park simulator, that's arguably the kind of place where the war in europe was really fought from.

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Very true, come to think of it why has nobody done a bletchley park simulator, that's arguably the kind of place where the war in europe was really fought from.

paper aeroplanes?

imagine the fm whining.

[Frequent_Flyer]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

1) it makes a huge difference, because of groundpounding, tankbusting and close support, none of which was involved in BoB, and which you can recreate well in il2. Battle of Stalingrad wasn't just the City.

2) a) irrelevant and b) incorrect, they were German.

1) Either battle , as a fighter you are escorting bombers/attack aircraft to a ground target or intercepting them. In both instances a very short distance.

2) Maybe the contribution of the Polish fighter pilots were insignificant to you but not to the BOB. They fought less than half the battle and their kill ratio per sortie was better than any german unit, it depends on your definition of success!