Trying to play allowing losses is horrible

[Razorflame]

Originally Posted by blacklegionary

My point? Well, the OP state that the no-loss community ruin his gaming experience, so I want to explain a bit. First, in AP playing no loss is almost a must to progress at least in early game. This wasn't just for fun or challenging, it's a requirement. And this was when people talking so much about no-loss game. Also running back and forth between island to replenish troops is no fun. So the no-loss concept was somehow forced on us.

It seems the developers read the forum and feel insulted when people show off that they beat Impossible no-loss and in 7 days or so, I don't remember exactly. So they design WOTN so frustrating for anyone to play no-loss, everyone can beat Impossible but go for no-loss is painful. There are also a lot of money so people will forget about it and just play normally. Well, you can even try army of Gray Wolf, Hyena, Thorn and Dragonfly if you want to have some fun.

well it's not frusttratin the no loss thing however most fights are just to plain easy which makes it very boring

the only real threat for no loss is

AHriman
Uladaar
spider boss
the ghoul at cemetary
zalnaor or w/e his name is
and 1 other i forgot about

they are insane fights well i wouldn't mind those
but for the first 3 the lack of unit composition really sucks

and for the latter
those are the only fights that could be hard

rest of the wandering monster is just plain easy

i remember with my skald just being braindead with using the song vs undead
when i fight animals or w/e


they really should spice up the mid/late game and PLEASE BY DEAR GOD give me some WANDERING heroes and not all those heroes that are quest regerated or guest related

they could really spice things up before u can move through somewhere

WHICH i really like from TL:AP

and as for best racial army droids all the way

[blacklegionary]

Have you finish the game?

[Pilnystudent]

I really dislike no loss in WotN because in early game there is only one strategy... save and load. I quit my impossible game and start again on normal without using load at all.

[Razorflame]

Originally Posted by blacklegionary

Have you finish the game?

will do soon
not much time atm

[Bhruic]

Originally Posted by Razorflame

the only real threat for no loss is

AHriman
Uladaar
spider boss
the ghoul at cemetary
zalnaor or w/e his name is
and 1 other i forgot about

There are no fights post-4 islands that are threats to no-loss. As soon as you have Rune Mages and Paladins (or Inquistors, but that's slower), you have infinite Ressurects that require no mana or rage. As long as a stack doesn't get completely destroyed, you can bring them back up, it's just a slow process.

The problem the OP is having is that he's exploiting the system and then claiming not enough challenge. Ok, fine, stop exploiting the system. Fight the Spider Boss the normal way, for example, rather than trying (and succeeding) to figure out a way to stop the spider summons.

[gunnyhighway]

Originally Posted by Bhruic

There are no fights post-4 islands that are threats to no-loss. As soon as you have Rune Mages and Paladins (or Inquistors, but that's slower), you have infinite Ressurects that require no mana or rage. As long as a stack doesn't get completely destroyed, you can bring them back up, it's just a slow process.

The problem the OP is having is that he's exploiting the system and then claiming not enough challenge. Ok, fine, stop exploiting the system. Fight the Spider Boss the normal way, for example, rather than trying (and succeeding) to figure out a way to stop the spider summons.

How am I exploiting and where did I say I was? Sorry I dont use the rune mages if thats what your hinting at

[Bhruic]

Originally Posted by gunnyhighway

How am I exploiting and where did I say I was? Sorry I dont use the rune mages if thats what your hinting at

You're exploiting it by finding a way to stop the spiders from being summoned, as I already stated. The fight is designed to work by the boss summoning spider reinforcements. If you deliberately set out to find a way to stop it from doing that, you are exploiting the encounter.

There's nothing wrong with doing that, if you choose to, but if you're going to take such an approach to the game, you can't simultaneously complain about the game being too easy. You've gone out of your way to make it easy.

[tiberiu]

Originally Posted by Bhruic

You're exploiting it by finding a way to stop the spiders from being summoned, as I already stated. The fight is designed to work by the boss summoning spider reinforcements. If you deliberately set out to find a way to stop it from doing that, you are exploiting the encounter.

There's nothing wrong with doing that, if you choose to, but if you're going to take such an approach to the game, you can't simultaneously complain about the game being too easy. You've gone out of your way to make it easy.

No, he's not. He didn't cheat, he used what the game had to offer.

@gunnyhighway Don't worry buddy, there are just some people on these forums that just HATE people like us because we find the game too easy. They love to taunt and troll around.

[gunnyhighway]

Originally Posted by tiberiu

No, he's not. He didn't cheat, he used what the game had to offer.

@gunnyhighway Don't worry buddy, there are just some people on these forums that just HATE people like us because we find the game too easy. They love to taunt and troll around.

Yea not sweating it. Ive been to war and if I could use ice spikes in IRAQ to kill people and save lives and in return some terrorist says to me "bro you cheating"
I would reply "never played kings bounty bro?"

Rules in war are for the losing side.

[Xargon]

Originally Posted by gunnyhighway

Yea not sweating it. Ive been to war and if I could use ice spikes in IRAQ to kill people and save lives and in return some terrorist says to me "bro you cheating"
I would reply "never played kings bounty bro?"

Rules in war are for the losing side.

Fortunately, this is not war, but a computer game. Supposed to entertain people and all that.

But apart from that, I understand this position. Sure, some encounters may be tricky, but that still leaves the majority of the game, and there are certainly parts where most or all of the fights feel trivial. And similarly, you can stop using overpowered or unbalanced gameplay mechanics, but to be honest, there are a lot of those, and while self-imposing restrictions may provide a challenge, it would be more interesting if you actually had to find such solutions sometimes. To change that, a mod would probably have to alter more than just enemy strength.

Oh, and for the record, I think covering the ground with ice spikes for the spider fight is a funny strategy. And apparently, the devs implemented this solution in case every cell was occupied... they could as well have cleared a few cells of anything and spawned spiders. While somewhat cheesy, I say props go to gunnyhighway for finding it in the first place.