BETA PATCH v.1.08.18956 - August 3, 2012

[Winger]

Originally Posted by skouras

personally i've always fly with the 109
simply cause i love it
but the spitfire in its current state is a mesh......FACT

The tell me what must be changed and please sum up under the line for example like this:

Increase levelspeed at all heights RESULTING IN Higher Topspeed at all heights than 109

I really wonder what we will see afterwards. I am sure there stands something like this:

Increase RS RESULTING IN performing better in RS than 109

Increase TU RESULTING IN performing better in TU than 109

Increase VW RESULTING IN performing better in VW than 109

Increase XY RESULTING IN performing better in XY than 109

Winger

[BTB]

Originally Posted by Winger

The tell me what must be changed and please sum up under the line for example like this:

Increase levelspeed at all heights RESULTING IN Higher Topspeed at all heights than 109

I really wonder what we will see afterwards. I am sure there stands something like this:

Increase RS RESULTING IN performing better in RS than 109

Increase TU RESULTING IN performing better in TU than 109

Increase VW RESULTING IN performing better in VW than 109

Increase XY RESULTING IN performing better in XY than 109

Winger

Please Winger, inform u before posting such statements.

We are talking of top speed,rate of climb,Rpm's and the overheating issue of the Spitfire.
Not more and not less.
If your 109 would do only 400km/h level, i guess here would be a houndred topics,too ;D

Both sides want historical correctness, not more but even not less.

Before you haven't checked of what the Spitfire was capable and how it is ingame, pls stop trolling

[Winger]

Originally Posted by BTB

We are talking of top speed,rate of climb

LOL, and if you increase those what leaves us that with if you compare spits and 109s?
Sorry its just pathetic if a pilots needs a plane that does EVERYTHING better than the opposite one

Winger

[BTB]

And why is it the Pilot's fault if the plane have this data?

Your postings are ignorant to those who fly on the red side.

Actually red Pilots try every bit for testing the Spits and getting at least a conclusion with which Spitfire u have a chance and didnt lack in performance so much.

I fly for both sides since beginning and for red it isnt funny at the moment.


Why u got shot down in a 109, didnt check 6, there was more then one Spitfire , u was turning and wasting energy. U got dived by a Spit.

[Chromius]

The poor Ju-88 needs to brought up to spec. It is roughly 40-50kmh slow maybe more, which is also causing issues with the R-22 not being able to hold altitude

At 2250m (peak pre supercharger performance) with ata 1.2 and rpms 2400 on orange and trimmed for level flight @ 11,000 kg weight. I am only able to get 310 IAS which equates to 353 TAS @2250m. (Yes you can get on the step for a slight increase.)

All data available says the A-4 with Jumo 211J engines was slower than the A-1 with 211B engines due to extra armor and load capability and bulge and the following charts claim A-4 data.

This performance graph corresponds to a Ju88 A-4, which was test flown without charge air cooler. The first two lines were flown at a gross weight of 13750 kg. The extended kg with a total weight 11500



From http://www.ju88.equitatura.de/performance.htm

And these specs are also based on the A-4

5. Cruise

Enriching lever is in position "Normal".

a) Cruising speeds when mixture control is in position "Lean" ("Arm") and enriching lever in position "Normal":

Altitude V-w Supercharger P2((ATA) n (RPM)
300 350 low gear 1.15 2250
2000 390 low gear 1.15 2250
4000 400 high gear 1.15 2250
6000 400 high gear 1.10 - 1.15 2250

b) Maximum speeds when mixture control is in position "Rich" ("Reich") and enriching lever in position "Normal":

Altitude V-w Supercharger P2((ATA) n (RPM)
300 375 low gear 1.25 2400
2000 410 low gear 1.25 2400
4000 415 high gear 1.25 2400
6000 425 high gear 1.15 - 1.25 2400

I have also voted on bugtracker for the known bugs, but the 2 that would be nice to fix soon since making the Ju-88 more useable would be the Bomb bay door Toggle working and not auto shutting or auto opening the bomb bay along with adding the Automatic VS Prop feature. Working fuel levers for fuel transfers would also be nice even if its a toggle with no animations.

Thank you.

[robtek]

+1

In RL the Interceptors had to be in a good position to catch a fleeing bomber, it was usually a longer pursuit and the hope that no fighter cover appeared.

That's what made Radar so important.

[Winger]

Originally Posted by BTB

And why is it the Pilot's fault if the plane have this data?

Your postings are ignorant to those who fly on the red side.

Actually red Pilots try every bit for testing the Spits and getting at least a conclusion with which Spitfire u have a chance and didnt lack in performance so much.

I fly for both sides since beginning and for red it isnt funny at the moment.


Why u got shot down in a 109, didnt check 6, there was more then one Spitfire , u was turning and wasting energy. U got dived by a Spit.

You speak as if you were there. I never turn with spits. I wrote that i dove from AND AFTER a spit. And btw. when i dove from it i had same energylevel. I wouldnt complain if i get jumped since i would have deserved it if something like that happens.

Now please tell me WHO IS IGNORANT HERE. LOOOL

Winger

[JTDawg]

Originally Posted by Winger

LOL, and if you increase those what leaves us that with if you compare spits and 109s?
Sorry its just pathetic if a pilots needs a plane that does EVERYTHING better than the opposite one

Winger

Guess you just like easy kills !!! not looking for that 20 min DF That leaves your hand cramped at the end Wow We are not looking for uber plane or planes like yourself, We want aleast a competitive edge ie what the planes are suppose to do, nothing more nothing less. you need to troll on troll on down the roooad SEE THATS CATCHY!

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by Winger

The tell me what must be changed and please sum up under the line for example like this:

Increase levelspeed at all heights RESULTING IN Higher Topspeed at all heights than 109

I really wonder what we will see afterwards. I am sure there stands something like this:

Increase RS RESULTING IN performing better in RS than 109

Increase TU RESULTING IN performing better in TU than 109

Increase VW RESULTING IN performing better in VW than 109

Increase XY RESULTING IN performing better in XY than 109

Winger

Currently the 100 octane spits and hurris seem to have glass engines, that will fall apart if you try to run at combat power.

[Trumper]

If you want reality i doubt 20 minute dogfights were anywhere near the norm.