could relativity proof have been falsified?

[raaaid]

Originally Posted by SEE

Refraction of light through a gas and liquids is caused by a change of speed. We see a 'rainbow' effect because each wavelength (in the spectrum of light) the speed is affected differently and splits.

However, If all the wavelengths that make the spectrum of light were to bend at the same speed then refraction will not occur. This is probably why atmospheric interference was discounted.

check out this refraction in which theres no cromatic aberration



cromatic aberration or rainbow efect is just a minor part of refraction

the main problem with refraction is it moves stars, it has to be taken into acount with celestial navigation and it grows as stars get close to the horizon

in other words the rainbow effect caused by the atmosphere refracting starlight is neglible compared with the change of position of the star caused by that refraction

[bongodriver]

No. raaaid has medical issues, and he's stated some of them in the past.

I think it's a smokescreen.

While those may drive what seems like attention seeking, it is not

I wish I could believe it.

I don't know his specifics, but my brother is schizophrenic and I recognize many many many of the same traits of logic and theorizing

I had an aunt with the same condition, a well researched and cunning troll could emulate all of that behaviour or as I believe make it a trademark.

That may even be why I feel the need to back raaaid. I do find him a likable guy when not provoked.

The flip side of the coin, either believe him and back him or not believe him and confront him.

EDIT: I know he takes his licks from others here and elsewhere too. Again. Nothing personal, bongo.

No worries, I believe you at least.

[raaaid]

oh so after all you believe im not crazy, well my clinical diagnose its im sane though im having antipsicotics(and i think those frag my head the most, hell everymonth when i get the shot i make the crazier threads)

well what makes me crazy is that in the 12 century i would belive in earth translation while everybody believed the stars were candles in a dome

today its the opposite

i had two nervous breakdowns as heartman

but what do you expect after having watched on tv an ufo attack on a plane in an aerial exhibition or that chicken meat gets his genetic pairs of proteins from millions to just two so the origin of the meat cant be determined

of course im crazy but my resentfull and what i aired as its posible to me is that for some unknown reason i was lead crazy

bongo what you percieve in a way its an excrazy guy

someone who yesterday was scared of certain things and now make him laugh

edit:

also bongo what doesnt fit to you is like when you find a gay guy who is not a butterfly like an ophiolite

im a totally wacky guy who still can fit perfectly in society and is in his perfect right TO THINK WHATEVER HE WANTS

you want me to cut out the crab?

prove me wrong

a good argument:

atmospheric lensing causes raimbow effect or chromatic aberration while gravitational lensing doesnt

link with fact:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/etwum62yqqhx8e6d/

Light refraction by the Sun's atmosphere is calculated.As detected from the Earth, the refraction can deflect a light ray emitted from the Sun's limb by 13" or a starlight ray grazing the solar limb by 26", an effect 15 times larger than the gravitational deflection.

edit:

also bongo you should know in 10 years i never was caught lying, i was caught cheating amerikas army though

am i very smart or telling the truth?

[WTE_Galway]

If you allow totally unscientific mumbo jumbo from creationists and climate change deniers, how can you then justify banning Raaaid? There is very little difference.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Robert

Barring your unwillingness to ignore him, I'll ask the moderators to ban you.

There is no such thing as social compulsion to be nice to loonies.
Especially if they harass you - bongo probably feels harassed.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Robert

No. raaaid has medical issues, and he's stated some of them in the past. While those may drive what seems like attention seeking, it is not. I don't know his specifics, but my brother is schizophrenic and I recognize many many many of the same traits of logic and theorizing. That may even be why I feel the need to back raaaid. I do find him a likable guy when not provoked.

EDIT: I know he takes his licks from others here and elsewhere too. Again. Nothing personal, bongo.

Robert, if he really had medical issues (which seem to be there and then they're gone, according to his mood), he shouldn't be here, not because of his condition mind you, but simply cos this is not a healthy place to be. Schizophrenics shouldn't even be allowed near the internet.

If he doesn't, he's just a troll.

I think the truth is in the middle, as he admitted himself to be a "good" troll (if there was something as such). As fruitbat said, the ignore feature seems to work only on posts, not on threads started by members, and god knows if raaaid started more useless topics than anybody else.

The situation is so ludicrous that it's starting to get surreal. He's been banned for trolling lately, and he's relentlessly back at it.

[Outlaw]

Originally Posted by raaaid

well being the 4th hit proves me kind of a pioneer

No, it just proves you are wrong. It clearly states why and how the measured gravity lensing effect is accurate and why and how it is NOT caused by refraction.

As usual you are completely WRONG about how Google ranks pages. There are many factors that go into ranking. In fact, I just repeated the search and it now shows up as the second link. It may be the 6th tomorrow.

And for the record, not having been caught lying on the Internet is not much of an accomplishment.

Originally Posted by raaaid

link with fact:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/etwum62yqqhx8e6d/

Light refraction by the Sun's atmosphere is calculated.As detected from the Earth, the refraction can deflect a light ray emitted from the Sun's limb by 13" or a starlight ray grazing the solar limb by 26", an effect 15 times larger than the gravitational deflection.

As usual, your two "degrees" still don't help you read English. The sample page you link to as supporting you assinine argument STATES THAT GRAVITATIONAL LENSING HAS BEEN VERIFIED.


--Outlaw.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Robert, if he really had medical issues (which seem to be there and then they're gone, according to his mood), he shouldn't be here, not because of his condition mind you, but simply cos this is not a healthy place to be. Schizophrenics shouldn't even be allowed near the internet.

If he doesn't, he's just a troll.

I think the truth is in the middle, as he admitted himself to be a "good" troll (if there was something as such). As fruitbat said, the ignore feature seems to work only on posts, not on threads started by members, and god knows if raaaid started more useless topics than anybody else.

The situation is so ludicrous that it's starting to get surreal. He's been banned for trolling lately, and he's relentlessly back at it.

Understood, and if he truly is a troll then moderators are the ones to cure the problem. Right? Regarding topics created by members you are ignoring? Topics clearly state who the author is - easy enough to not enter. Capice?

Other than that, I don't think I have anything more substantive to say regarding this, and don't really need to drag this out any more than it already is.

[raaaid]

it says atmospheric lensing its 15 times bigger than gravitational lensing, how could eisntein have accounted for this, i dont say relativity is wrong i say einstein proof its invalid since he had no way to account for sun atmospheric lensin

dont you think my being fourth hit on relativity+ sun+ atmosphere proves i have original ideas which would be a shame censoring for being quite unique?

my discovery:

rounded lenses as planets atmosphere hardly cause any raimbow effect only triangular lenses do

the kind of refraction depends weather the lens is poligonal or rounded

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Robert

Understood, and if he truly is a troll then moderators are the ones to cure the problem. Right? Regarding topics created by members you are ignoring? Topics clearly state who the author is - easy enough to not enter. Capice?

Other than that, I don't think I have anything more substantive to say regarding this, and don't really need to drag this out any more than it already is.

it clogs the threads list, and I am tired of having to skim through his nonsense, I suppose that as a forum member I have the same right of expressing my opinion as he does.. besides he's just been readmitted after being banned for trolling and he hasn't changed one bit, what does this tell you?
It's clear that he's not gonna change, and sooner or later he'll be banned again, and after several bans for the same reason you're banned for good.. I say let's ban him for good now so we're over and done with it. Is common sense not that common anymore?!