could relativity proof have been falsified?

[Robert]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

I explained it several times, I think raaaid is an attention seeking troll, out of any of the regular raaaid bashers I tend to be one that at least gives a reasoned argument why I'd like him to politely move on instead of just demanding his banning.

Anyway, point noted and ignore list it is, if he really can keep it on one thread then great.

No. raaaid has medical issues, and he's stated some of them in the past. While those may drive what seems like attention seeking, it is not. I don't know his specifics, but my brother is schizophrenic and I recognize many many many of the same traits of logic and theorizing. That may even be why I feel the need to back raaaid. I do find him a likable guy when not provoked.

EDIT: I know he takes his licks from others here and elsewhere too. Again. Nothing personal, bongo.

[bongodriver]

No. raaaid has medical issues, and he's stated some of them in the past.

I think it's a smokescreen.

While those may drive what seems like attention seeking, it is not

I wish I could believe it.

I don't know his specifics, but my brother is schizophrenic and I recognize many many many of the same traits of logic and theorizing

I had an aunt with the same condition, a well researched and cunning troll could emulate all of that behaviour or as I believe make it a trademark.

That may even be why I feel the need to back raaaid. I do find him a likable guy when not provoked.

The flip side of the coin, either believe him and back him or not believe him and confront him.

EDIT: I know he takes his licks from others here and elsewhere too. Again. Nothing personal, bongo.

No worries, I believe you at least.

[raaaid]

oh so after all you believe im not crazy, well my clinical diagnose its im sane though im having antipsicotics(and i think those frag my head the most, hell everymonth when i get the shot i make the crazier threads)

well what makes me crazy is that in the 12 century i would belive in earth translation while everybody believed the stars were candles in a dome

today its the opposite

i had two nervous breakdowns as heartman

but what do you expect after having watched on tv an ufo attack on a plane in an aerial exhibition or that chicken meat gets his genetic pairs of proteins from millions to just two so the origin of the meat cant be determined

of course im crazy but my resentfull and what i aired as its posible to me is that for some unknown reason i was lead crazy

bongo what you percieve in a way its an excrazy guy

someone who yesterday was scared of certain things and now make him laugh

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also bongo what doesnt fit to you is like when you find a gay guy who is not a butterfly like an ophiolite

im a totally wacky guy who still can fit perfectly in society and is in his perfect right TO THINK WHATEVER HE WANTS

you want me to cut out the crab?

prove me wrong

a good argument:

atmospheric lensing causes raimbow effect or chromatic aberration while gravitational lensing doesnt

link with fact:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/etwum62yqqhx8e6d/

Light refraction by the Sun's atmosphere is calculated.As detected from the Earth, the refraction can deflect a light ray emitted from the Sun's limb by 13" or a starlight ray grazing the solar limb by 26", an effect 15 times larger than the gravitational deflection.

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also bongo you should know in 10 years i never was caught lying, i was caught cheating amerikas army though

am i very smart or telling the truth?

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Robert

No. raaaid has medical issues, and he's stated some of them in the past. While those may drive what seems like attention seeking, it is not. I don't know his specifics, but my brother is schizophrenic and I recognize many many many of the same traits of logic and theorizing. That may even be why I feel the need to back raaaid. I do find him a likable guy when not provoked.

EDIT: I know he takes his licks from others here and elsewhere too. Again. Nothing personal, bongo.

Robert, if he really had medical issues (which seem to be there and then they're gone, according to his mood), he shouldn't be here, not because of his condition mind you, but simply cos this is not a healthy place to be. Schizophrenics shouldn't even be allowed near the internet.

If he doesn't, he's just a troll.

I think the truth is in the middle, as he admitted himself to be a "good" troll (if there was something as such). As fruitbat said, the ignore feature seems to work only on posts, not on threads started by members, and god knows if raaaid started more useless topics than anybody else.

The situation is so ludicrous that it's starting to get surreal. He's been banned for trolling lately, and he's relentlessly back at it.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Robert, if he really had medical issues (which seem to be there and then they're gone, according to his mood), he shouldn't be here, not because of his condition mind you, but simply cos this is not a healthy place to be. Schizophrenics shouldn't even be allowed near the internet.

If he doesn't, he's just a troll.

I think the truth is in the middle, as he admitted himself to be a "good" troll (if there was something as such). As fruitbat said, the ignore feature seems to work only on posts, not on threads started by members, and god knows if raaaid started more useless topics than anybody else.

The situation is so ludicrous that it's starting to get surreal. He's been banned for trolling lately, and he's relentlessly back at it.

Understood, and if he truly is a troll then moderators are the ones to cure the problem. Right? Regarding topics created by members you are ignoring? Topics clearly state who the author is - easy enough to not enter. Capice?

Other than that, I don't think I have anything more substantive to say regarding this, and don't really need to drag this out any more than it already is.

[raaaid]

it says atmospheric lensing its 15 times bigger than gravitational lensing, how could eisntein have accounted for this, i dont say relativity is wrong i say einstein proof its invalid since he had no way to account for sun atmospheric lensin

dont you think my being fourth hit on relativity+ sun+ atmosphere proves i have original ideas which would be a shame censoring for being quite unique?

my discovery:

rounded lenses as planets atmosphere hardly cause any raimbow effect only triangular lenses do

the kind of refraction depends weather the lens is poligonal or rounded

[Outlaw]

Originally Posted by raaaid

it says atmospheric lensing its 15 times bigger than gravitational lensing, how could eisntein have accounted for this, i dont say relativity is wrong i say einstein proof its invalid since he had no way to account for sun atmospheric lensin

If the above is true then why did you say the following...

Originally Posted by raaaid

really im not sure if light is bent by gravity

Regardless, if you don't believe the 1919 methods were accurate SHOW THE DETAILS OF THE EXPERIMENT THAT PROVE IT DID NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT REFRACTION.

Originally Posted by raaaid

dont you think my being fourth hit on relativity+ sun+ atmosphere proves i have original ideas which would be a shame censoring for being quite unique?

No, not at all, and even the most clueless person among us would agree with me. All it means that the words in your search string scored a high relevance factor in Google's calculation and that is it.

As far as censoring, no subject you have every posted about has ever been censored. If it were censored, your posts would be removed by the matrix MCP. Yet they are not.

By far, the most ridiculous arguments you have made on this board are the ones where you post a link about something in the same sentence in which you claim that it is censored. If it were censored then the link would fail. Yet, they do not fail. Thus, you are, once again, proven wrong.

The best example of this was your ludicrous "fornix muscle" thread where you posted the link to the, "censored", video about the doctor who invented the machine to strengthen the eye muscles.

THERE WAS A LINK TO THE DOCTOR'S WEBSITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ON THE DOCTOR'S WEBSITE WAS A LINK TO THE NASA STUDY HE PARTICIPATED IN!!!!!!!

So, here we have....

A youtube video freely available
The doctor's website freely available
NASA (the freaking government!!!!!!!) published a study about his methods

Yeah, lots of censorship there.

As usual you are wrong about everything.

--Outlaw.

[raaaid]

thatsnks outlaw id never thought i would be apreciating being called asinine, hey but if its given with reason....

http://paias.org/Science/Einstein/Ein1Summary.htm

It turns out that the bending of light by the Sun due to atmospheric refraction — which we know exists more certainly than we think gravitational lensing exists, Newton, again — is approximately of the same order of magnitude as current estimates for “gravitational lensing”, but no one (as of the late 1990s) has taken it into account, at least not with any publicity. When taken into account (especially along with Einstein’s estimate for the effective Newtonian mass and associated deflection of photons), what is left over deviates unacceptably from the value needed to fully support Einstein’s gravitational lensing.

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oh and on censorship: i see no censorship at all in this forum yet some antiliberty people want me censored for being a free thinker

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yeah outlaw i admitt we live in a free world people paid with blood so people like me could say his NO OFENSIVE IDEAS FREELY, but our freedom is slowly being taken away

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of course what makes it being a 4th hit its my free thinking

very few people question what theyre told, i do

seems my free thinking unveild the relativity scam, and few were able to

and i did so with FREE THINKING not regurgitating propagandistic conspiracy theory made to seed terror and hopelessness or fox ultraright wings ideas as we can keep destroying our planet cause we are making huge printed paper

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searching relativity falsified gets me on the 1st page of google

am i a free thinking pioneer?

or 1c is falsifying the hits this thread is really getting

maybe what im doing which is so annoying fo the stablishment why they drove me crazy with tv is the revolutionary seeds im planting like for examp0le the huge lies of education as relativity or coulombs law on friction being independent of surface?

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googling relativity falsified gives you 4.630.000 hits

this thread appears on 10th position

doesnt this proof the annoying noise im making and the real reason why this guys want me out

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also one of my haters avoids to mention he is greek yet he is swiming in money

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bongodriver and sternjaegr as themsleves admitted are the elite of this planet, making huge money while uneducated while myself with two universities degrees im making 6 euro per hour and dont have money even for cigarretes

no wonder they hate me for questioning their elititist status quo with things like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64Oh3qEVgBQ

[Outlaw]

This link, provided by you, definitively explains that refraction is accounted for...

http://einstein.stanford.edu/content...vity/q793.html

The following link, provided by you...

http://paias.org/Science/Einstein/Ein1Summary.htm

Simply notes that, as far as the author was aware, refraction had not been taken into account.

Originally Posted by raaaid

thatsnks outlaw id never thought i would be apreciating being called asinine, hey but if its given with reason....

I did not call you asinine.

Originally Posted by raaaid

oh and on censorship: i see no censorship at all in this forum yet some antiliberty people want me censored for being a free thinker

Incorrect. They want you censored because they think you are an annoying idiot.

Originally Posted by raaaid

of course what makes it being a 4th hit its my free thinking

No, what makes it 4th is the fact that invisible tribbles are taking over the Google server farms.

My statement is 100% as valid as yours.

Of course, the fact that it is not always 4th makes both statements totally incorrect.

Originally Posted by raaaid

very few people question what theyre told, i do

How many physics students have you interviewed to determine whether or not they question what they are told? We both know the answer.

Knowing that the answer is zero, your claim that very few people question what they are told is 100% invalid.

Originally Posted by raaaid

seems my free thinking unveild the relativity scam, and few were able to

and i did so with FREE THINKING not regurgitating propagandistic conspiracy theory made to seed terror and hopelessness or fox ultraright wings ideas as we can keep destroying our planet cause we are making huge printed paper

Except that your "free thinking" was backed up by numerous links that were posted BEFORE YOU MADE YOUR CLAIM. Thus, all you did was regurgitate what other people HAVE ALREADY SAID. You said NOTHING that had not been said already.

Originally Posted by raaaid

searching relativity falsified gets me on the 1st page of google

am i a free thinking pioneer?

Your lack of cognitive ability is truly astounding. Google the following...

I-16 vs. 109E - 3 min. 12 sec.


One of my websites will be first. What does it mean?

Originally Posted by raaaid

maybe what im doing which is so annoying fo the stablishment why they drove me crazy with tv is the revolutionary seeds im planting like for examp0le the huge lies of education as relativity or coulombs law on friction being independent of surface?

Coulomb never claimed the friction force was independent of the surface (and this has already been noted to you).

You already said you don't believe that relativity is wrong so how can it be a lie. Regardless, a link PROVIDED BY YOU has already shown that your statements about relativity are incorrect.

Thus, it is obvious to even a dead rat that you are not annoying the "stablishment", and they are not trying to drive you crazy. The OVERDOSE of DRUGS has already done that.

Originally Posted by raaaid

googling relativity falsified gives you 4.630.000 hits

this thread appears on 10th position

doesnt this proof the annoying noise im making and the real reason why this guys want me out

No, it does not give you 4,630,000 "hits". It gives you, "about 4,630,000 RESULTS". It has nothing to do with hit count. Furthermore, I just goggled it with and without quotes and this thread was in the 11th position without quotes and did not appear in the first 3 pages with quotes.

Which PROVES that you are incapable of understanding how search engine indexing works.

--Outlaw.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Robert

Understood, and if he truly is a troll then moderators are the ones to cure the problem. Right? Regarding topics created by members you are ignoring? Topics clearly state who the author is - easy enough to not enter. Capice?

Other than that, I don't think I have anything more substantive to say regarding this, and don't really need to drag this out any more than it already is.

it clogs the threads list, and I am tired of having to skim through his nonsense, I suppose that as a forum member I have the same right of expressing my opinion as he does.. besides he's just been readmitted after being banned for trolling and he hasn't changed one bit, what does this tell you?
It's clear that he's not gonna change, and sooner or later he'll be banned again, and after several bans for the same reason you're banned for good.. I say let's ban him for good now so we're over and done with it. Is common sense not that common anymore?!