Post links to 'cheating using the soundmod' tracks here:

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

The lerche cheat was posted on ubi forums long before the sound mod and it was confirmed there that it was a trick of editing a config file at the right time and in such a way as to allow the lerche to be used on any server, again, before the sound mod. Many many people saw this thread and if the search function worked worth a crap I'd post the link. That lerche video is proof of cheating, but only that cheating happened before the sound mod ever came out, modding is not the sole inventor of cheat, print screen, cable pulling, packet manipulation of all sorts was prevalent long before the code was hacked. No one denies that the potential for cheating is there, what we are denying is that using a mod makes you a cheater and that the mods have increased the amount of cheating. I have not seen one single cheat that was attributable to the mods while flying online, I have seen packet cheaters though....

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Urufu_Shinjiro

The lerche cheat was posted on ubi forums long before the sound mod and it was confirmed there that it was a trick of editing a config file at the right time and in such a way as to allow the lerche to be used on any server, again, before the sound mod. Many many people saw this thread and if the search function worked worth a crap I'd post the link.

That lerche video is proof of cheating, but only that cheating happened before the sound mod ever came out, modding is not the sole inventor of cheat, print screen, cable pulling, packet manipulation of all sorts was prevalent long before the code was hacked.

No one denies that the potential for cheating is there, what we are denying is that using a mod makes you a cheater and that the mods have increased the amount of cheating. I have not seen one single cheat that was attributable to the mods while flying online, I have seen packet cheaters though....

urufu,

i think this is your first post in this thread, so i'll take it at face value that your not just trolling like the hack kiddies who just want to keep advertising their vandalism here.

about the "cheating" with the soundmod files, the following things are known beyond doubt:
1) the soundfile hack opened up must of the previously locked data in il2, including plane features like engines, wing shape, plane size, mirrors, cockpit shape and canopy bars/glass, removing cockpits completely, etc..
2) even on servers running checksum 2 they cant detect soundmod files or other additionally edited parameters anymore
3) i have posted you examples of people adding gyro sights to planes that normally dont have them, adding mirrors, and people flying unauthorized planes on full real servers. if you look at the files the hack kiddies use, all that is available, and you have no way of telling what is switched on/off when they then join servers online

and that makes the situation much worse then befor all this soundmod started being available to everyone and his dog.

i'm not sure what else you'd need. i'd say using any of those features on servers that are set to full real constitutes cheating since, it gives an unfair advantage compared to the other flyer's.

and as some of the hack kiddies put it themselves

:lowfighter

If I wanted to cheat with a plane I'd add just say 5% boost in any performance compartment (turn time, climb rate etc), then of course it would be hard to prove anything about my cheating.
I believe there are cheaters, but the question is how many percentagewise, and how smart?
Sure it's impossible to answer such questions...

it doesnt matter whatsoever to most legitimate il2 users if some people used hacked files like that on their own, or with their little friends in some online server. what matters is that you now dont know anymore what unfair advantages other people have when you join some of the better online servers.

[Lo0n]

Originally Posted by zapatista

urufu,

i think this is your first post in this thread, so i'll take it at face value that your not just trolling like the hack kiddies who just want to keep advertising their vandalism here.

about the "cheating" with the soundmod files, the following things are known beyond doubt:
1) the soundfile hack opened up must of the previously locked data in il2, including plane features like engines, wing shape, plane size, mirrors, cockpit shape and canopy bars/glass, removing cockpits completely, etc..
2) even on servers running checksum 2 they cant detect soundmod files or other additionally edited parameters anymore
3) i have posted you examples of people adding gyro sights to planes that normally dont have them, adding mirrors, and people flying unauthorized planes on full real servers. if you look at the files the hack kiddies use, all that is available, and you have no way of telling what is switched on/off when they then join servers online

good job advertising yourself there zap, seems to me that you are one of those "hack kiddies".
the locked data... well i've not seen where it has opened up wing shape or removed sections of pits, or resized them... i've seen an added mirror and a swapped out gun sight, only done with a heap of photographic and written evidence to back it up.
speaking of evidence... not seen any from yourself about this checksum=2 being broken, please do show us, come one. you must have it somewhere, someone of your vastly superior intellect and maturity must be able to produce this, surely? or do you want to leave it to throwing insults, trying to "cry to headteacher" or get those wanting to discuss this banned?

[Viking]

Please guys let it drop!

Zapatista is only striving to get this thread closed down so he can claim “victory”.
Refrain from answering and arguing and just let this thread stand as an monument over the unjust accusations.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Lo0n

good job advertising yourself there zap, seems to me that you are one of those "hack kiddies".

its like the old joke about the fool being able to ask more questions then 10 wise men can answer lol

i'll give you a similar one in return, unless you right now jump of the roof of your house then this proves you are cheating online.

easy really, how to create an absurd argument.try and use some higher reasoning functions next time, add a bit of executive control to the thoughts popping up in your reptilian brain centers.

yeps i had a look this afternoon to see which places provided the qtim files and hacks, simple really, took exactly 3 min with google. even funnier how there seems to be no honor amongst thieves, and half you lot that are blabbering here arn't even aware what exactly can be done with those files now, or how bad things have gotten. neither do you even seem to read your own forums very well it seems.

Originally Posted by Lo0n

the locked data... well i've not seen where it has opened up wing shape or removed sections of pits, or resized them... i've seen an added mirror and a swapped out gun sight, only done with a heap of photographic and written evidence to back it up.

thats why its so easy to determine most of you "hack apologists" are just trolling here, you come and pretend to be all innocent, and all this is blatant in your own back yard.

how about a nice G4 replacing the G2 109 in game ? a bit of a hack job in all the cutting and welding, or should i say cutting and pasting ?

This G4 replaces the stock G2 in the sim.
Arrow Fuselage: From G2.
Arrow Wings: Taken from G6 (>To obtain the little wing bulges ).
Arrow Wheels & undercarriage: Taken from G6 (>To obtain the fixed tailwheel ).

or how about a "G10-Erla" replaces the stock G10 in the sim ?
again all you need is a bit of cut and pasting

Tailplane: From G10.
Wheels & undercarriage: Taken from G10
Engine hood: Taken from G2 , To obtain the flat left engine hood and a correct harmonization between MGs furrows and compressor intake
Antenna: Taken from K4 (>for the specific antenna missing mast).
Wings: Taken from K4 (>for the large wing bulges )

et voila, nothing a 12 yo with notepad cant do

ahh and lets have a little guess now to see whom of you think that with all this the visibility from the cockpit will be improved or reduced compared to the stock standard planes ?

1, 2, 3... all together now, ... improved of course ! they have even removed the armored cockpit glass visual effect so you can see better.

and i have another riddle for you now, will using these planes now be detected when joining full real servers.... you should know the answer by now, of course they wont. and half the lot of you will keep jabbering on of course that using these planes is "more real", lol except of course you wont be telling the other people on the servers you are using them

http://rapidshare.com/files/77673952...sters.zip.html

Originally Posted by Lo0n

speaking of evidence... not seen any from yourself about this checksum=2 being broken, please do show us .

hang on now, you want me to hack my own files and go and cheat online to prove to the cheaters that it is possible ? you might have missed it, but i am here arguing against it.

[Lo0n]

Originally Posted by zapatista

its like the old joke about the fool being able to ask more questions then 10 wise men can answer lol

i'll give you a similar one in return, unless you right now jump of the roof of your house then this proves you are cheating online.

easy really, how to create an absurd argument.try and use some higher reasoning functions next time, add a bit of executive control to the thoughts popping up in your reptilian brain centers.

yeps i had a look this afternoon to see which places provided the qtim files and hacks, simple really, took exactly 3 min with google. even funnier how there seems to be no honor amongst thieves, and half you lot that are blabbering here arn't even aware what exactly can be done with those files now, or how bad things have gotten. neither do you even seem to read your own forums very well it seems.



thats why its so easy to determine most of you "hack apologists" are just trolling here, you come and pretend to be all innocent, and all this is blatant in your own back yard.

how about a nice G4 replacing the G2 109 in game ? a bit of a hack job in all the cutting and welding, or should i say cutting and pasting ?


or how about a "G10-Erla" replaces the stock G10 in the sim ?
again all you need is a bit of cut and pasting



et voila, nothing a 12 yo with notepad cant do

ahh and lets have a little guess now to see whom of you think that with all this the visibility from the cockpit will be improved or reduced compared to the stock standard planes ?

1, 2, 3... all together now, ... improved of course ! they have even removed the armored cockpit glass visual effect so you can see better.

and i have another riddle for you now, will using these planes now be detected when joining full real servers.... you should know the answer by now, of course they wont. and half the lot of you will keep jabbering on of course that using these planes is "more real", lol except of course you wont be telling the other people on the servers you are using them

http://rapidshare.com/files/77673952...sters.zip.html


hang on now, you want me to hack my own files and go and cheat online to prove to the cheaters that it is possible ? you might have missed it, but i am here arguing against it.

no i didn't miss that, but you have access to all this, you are accusing all of cheating and being able to, so prove it. you can delete the files once you are done and go back to stock, and you can warn the servers you are conducting a test so there are no long term implications. wouldn't want to see you banned form servers for proving your point.

actually the reason i don't know what is possible to alter for cheating is because i have zero interest in doing that. i don't fly online at all, if i ever did it would be with a fresh clean install, where is the satisfaction to be found from beating someone using cheats? so i won't be jumping off my roof, which surely is against some form of conduct, maybe not the forum RoC, but certainly those of an adult who proclaims intellectual and moral superiority.
the point of the absurd argument is that it can be extended to a ridiculous point, reductio ad absurdum, so where you say having a mirror is a cheat, i can just as easily say that having track ir is a cheat, an advantage that is not enjoyed by everyone. jesus, mirrors are no use when you have f6! you probably have a greater advantage if you use a 30 inch screen. fair enough, blatant cheats like a mk108 armed uber spitfire may be possible with the mod, but i have not seen it, i have not heard of it, and i have seen no evidence that it can be used on a chkruntime=2 server. if you are so adamant that it can be done then please post something showing it. educate me.

where were you going with that little tirade? seems you went off on a tangent and started trying to insult me. i've asked one question, nd that is what proof you have. surely 10 wise men are not needed for this. you asked no question of me so, well, what do i answer?

you need to read more at the other place, or quote in context. the frankenplanes have the fm of the planes they replace, so that g4 is a cosmetically altered g2, ditto the g10 erla. they replace a slot in the game. as far as i have seen fm dm and wm are the same as the ones they replace. so at a guess, if they were used in a server where some did not have the mods, then they would appear as a g2 and a g10 to those people. also, at a guess, they would be hardly able to tell the difference anyway. as for whether they can be used in a chkruntime=2 server... well i still don't know, because there is still nothing concrete posted to prove one way or another.

sorry the hear about your friend uther, does put stuff in perspective.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Lo0n

no i didn't miss that, but you have access to all this, you are accusing all of cheating and being able to, so prove it.

you can delete the files once you are done and go back to stock, and you can warn the servers you are conducting a test so there are no long term implications. wouldn't want to see you banned form servers for proving your point.

why keep going over the same ground. there is about 10 examples in this thread of various confirmed types of cheating. you should put a little effort in yourself to confirm that checksum 2 issue if that is your personal stumbling block, even your own buddies in the dark dungeons confirmed it (and so have others in this same thread).

Originally Posted by Lo0n

actually the reason i don't know what is possible to alter for cheating is because i have zero interest in doing that. i don't fly online at all, if i ever did it would be with a fresh clean install, where is the satisfaction to be found from beating someone using cheats?

just read your own little forum and you'll get an idea, when seeing some of the options posted there just ask yourself which ones would be an advantage to use online against others who dont have them. but interesting you now say you dont know if it is possible to cheat, yet for the last 10 pages you have been arguing cheating doesnt exist and isnt possible. those 2 positions are quite different.

Originally Posted by Lo0n

the point of the absurd argument is that it can be extended to a ridiculous point, reductio ad absurdum, so where you say having a mirror is a cheat, i can just as easily say that having track ir is a cheat, an advantage that is not enjoyed by everyone. jesus, mirrors are no use when you have f6! you probably have a greater advantage if you use a 30 inch screen.

just read your own statement again, and spot the flaw.

Originally Posted by Lo0n

fair enough, blatant cheats like a mk108 armed uber spitfire may be possible with the mod, but i have not seen it, i have not heard of it, and i have seen no evidence that it can be used on a chkruntime=2 server.

you've already stated you dont play online, and you are now saying that because you personally havnt seen it online, it therefore does not exist ?

since you dont seem to get out much, just apply the Principle of Parsimony from those that spend the majority of their time online and want it to remain fair.

Originally Posted by Lo0n

you need to read more at the other place, or quote in context. the frankenplanes have the fm of the planes they replace, so that g4 is a cosmetically altered g2, ditto the g10 erla. they replace a slot in the game. as far as i have seen fm dm and wm are the same as the ones they replace. so at a guess, if they were used in a server where some did not have the mods, then they would appear as a g2 and a g10 to those people. also, at a guess, they would be hardly able to tell the difference anyway.

your failing to mention, or havnt realised, that those planes have improved rear visibility compared to the stock standard models, and that the removal of slightly clouded armored glass also improves visibility. also placing the wings of one plane on another will change its flight characteristics, for better or for worse depending how it is applied (ie it is not just wing textures, but wing shapes and surface area's affected)

but my main point of listing those examples is to clearly demonstrate that the franken monster production line has started.

[Lo0n]

Originally Posted by zapatista

why keep going over the same ground. there is about 10 examples in this thread of various confirmed types of cheating. you should put a little effort in yourself to confirm that checksum 2 issue if that is your personal stumbling block, even your own buddies in the dark dungeons confirmed it (and so have others in this same thread).
[I]because you have resolutely failed to demostrate the prevalence of online cheating in chkruntime=2 servers. show me then, pm me the link. like i said, i don't go online, and if i did i would want it to be a fair fight, otherwise what satisfaction is there from winning? or is that the aim no matter how hollow it is?[/I]

just read your own little forum and you'll get an idea, when seeing some of the options posted there just ask yourself which ones would be an advantage to use online against others who dont have them. but interesting you now say you dont know if it is possible to cheat, yet for the last 10 pages you have been arguing cheating doesnt exist and isnt possible. those 2 positions are quite different.
[I]i have been asking for evidence, maybe you missed it? not denying that cheating could be going on, but then with the lack of evidence that would be a logical conclusion. the track posted so far is not conclusive. and so you ahve still not posted the evidence as requested. .[/I]




just read your own statement again, and spot the flaw.



you've already stated you dont play online, and you are now saying that because you personally havnt seen it online, it therefore does not exist ?it's the evidence that i have not seen, in this thread, the evidence that was promised, that is what has not been seen. is that in simple enough terms for you?.
since you dont seem to get out much, just apply the Principle of Parsimony from those that spend the majority of their time online and want it to remain fair.
[I]i get out plenty, hence the majority of my time not being online. see that logical step there? guess you are the basement dweller if you spend ost of your time online.[/I]




your failing to mention, or havnt realised, that those planes have improved rear visibility compared to the stock standard models, and that the removal of slightly clouded armored glass also improves visibility. also placing the wings of one plane on another will change its flight characteristics, for better or for worse depending how it is applied (ie it is not just wing textures, but wing shapes and surface area's affected) [I]not changing flight characteristics when purely making a cosmetic model change, or did you miss that bit? it gives the g-2 fm to the g-4. the fm is not altered. read more. slightly clouded glass... again, read more, did you miss where i said what difference does that make when you have f6 or a huge monitor? [/I]

but my main point of listing those examples is to clearly demonstrate that the franken monster production line has started.

was that really your point? are you sure? and you miss out the other bits where it is said that new slots cannot be created so they have to take the fms of other planes. hence g4 replacing g2, g10 erla replacing g10, typhoon replacing (and having same fm as) tempest... and now for your next round of insults... and still no post showing cheating happening. oh no. that would spoil the fun. prove it and you win. continue with this pointless flaming and you lose.