Post links to 'cheating using the soundmod' tracks here:

[Baron]

Originally Posted by Lo0n

it "has been said" but not shown. as for the rest, well apparently the lerche is done by messing with the conf.ini file.
the posted track just shows a lerche in a server, not the version used (i believe 4.05 is easier to change critical files), not the server security settings, nothing other than it being used. it is out of context, and that's what makes it really little else than a standard to gather around for anyone who has already convinced themselves.

want to prove it? post a fraps vid of all the steps, that will cover any doubt.
if you're worried about posting a cheat tutorial, well... according to you there is no need for a tutorial, is there? everyone is doing it already.

and zap, well i didn't read that bit so could you post me a link - always good to have the information. as for intelligence to do it... well, actually looking for it is more of a factor. i guess you're on there more than i am. hey! here's an idea, why don't you do the fraps vid, seeing as you have access.
as for the kiddie thing... well recent poll shows the average age to be pushing into the thirties. there may be other forums you are referring to but i guess that's the only one you've managed to find so far.

The tracks with the Lerche is 4.09...suprises me if there are any doubts about that what so ever.


And your right about the "checkruntime=2 stops only the basement dwelers"..it has only been said...as it has ONLY been said that the Lerche is a old cheat done with confini (first thing iv ever heard about such a easy cheat..wonder why noone used it before)

So, thoose things have only been said, wich leaves us with several tracks showing an ex. of what can be done by a waaay larger group than before. A Lerache on several servers (the biggest ones on HL in fact) where there shouldnt be a Learche......i know cus i fly on several of them myselfe.


I know wich i belive over other claims made or said.


Saying a posted proof is an old cheat doesnt cut it. If u or any onelse wanna contest it.....do so by posting exact same proof showing its a fake. Thats how it works.

[Lo0n]

Originally Posted by Baron

The tracks with the Lerche is 4.09...suprises me if there are any doubts about that what so ever.


And your right about the "checkruntime=2 stops only the basement dwelers"..it has only been said...as it has ONLY been said that the Lerche is a old cheat done with confini (first thing iv ever heard about such a easy cheat..wonder why noone used it before)

So, thoose things have only been said, wich leaves us with several tracks showing an ex. of what can be done by a waaay larger group than before. A Lerache on several servers (the biggest ones on HL in fact) where there shouldnt be a Learche......i know cus i fly on several of them myselfe.


I know wich i belive over other claims made or said.


Saying a posted proof is an old cheat doesnt cut it. If u or any onelse wanna contest it.....do so by posting exact same proof showing its a fake. Thats how it works.

4.09? really? that doesn't look good for the future then.
and well actually it does cut it. weight of evidence and all that. you have to show it is a valid piece of evidence, using the fraps vid of the whole process. if i wanted to be difficult i could say that this was done in a private dogfight server, named after the famous ones, with a bunch of actors playing the part of the outraged. i don't for a minute think that, but remove any elements of doubt eh baron? oh no, because that would mean you would have to stop the arguments and finger pointing and insults. you don't care for the truth, you just want to carry on with that. repeatedly. you loooove it.

and zap, really... baron is showing you how to troll. do better.

[Baron]

Originally Posted by Lo0n

4.09? really? that doesn't look good for the future then.
and well actually it does cut it. weight of evidence and all that. you have to show it is a valid piece of evidence, using the fraps vid of the whole process. if i wanted to be difficult i could say that this was done in a private dogfight server, named after the famous ones, with a bunch of actors playing the part of the outraged. i don't for a minute think that, but remove any elements of doubt eh baron? oh no, because that would mean you would have to stop the arguments and finger pointing and insults. you don't care for the truth, you just want to carry on with that. repeatedly. you loooove it.

and zap, really... baron is showing you how to troll. do better.

Like i said, if`s and buts till the cows come home.


U said it yourselfe, if u wanted to be difficoult u could................


Wich is exactly whats hapening here.



BTW, U or your modfriends dont get to decide whats trolling and whats not.......sry.


Thx.



Gonna listen to Evgeny here and drop this dead horse and move on.

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

The lerche cheat was posted on ubi forums long before the sound mod and it was confirmed there that it was a trick of editing a config file at the right time and in such a way as to allow the lerche to be used on any server, again, before the sound mod. Many many people saw this thread and if the search function worked worth a crap I'd post the link. That lerche video is proof of cheating, but only that cheating happened before the sound mod ever came out, modding is not the sole inventor of cheat, print screen, cable pulling, packet manipulation of all sorts was prevalent long before the code was hacked. No one denies that the potential for cheating is there, what we are denying is that using a mod makes you a cheater and that the mods have increased the amount of cheating. I have not seen one single cheat that was attributable to the mods while flying online, I have seen packet cheaters though....

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Urufu_Shinjiro

The lerche cheat was posted on ubi forums long before the sound mod and it was confirmed there that it was a trick of editing a config file at the right time and in such a way as to allow the lerche to be used on any server, again, before the sound mod. Many many people saw this thread and if the search function worked worth a crap I'd post the link.

That lerche video is proof of cheating, but only that cheating happened before the sound mod ever came out, modding is not the sole inventor of cheat, print screen, cable pulling, packet manipulation of all sorts was prevalent long before the code was hacked.

No one denies that the potential for cheating is there, what we are denying is that using a mod makes you a cheater and that the mods have increased the amount of cheating. I have not seen one single cheat that was attributable to the mods while flying online, I have seen packet cheaters though....

urufu,

i think this is your first post in this thread, so i'll take it at face value that your not just trolling like the hack kiddies who just want to keep advertising their vandalism here.

about the "cheating" with the soundmod files, the following things are known beyond doubt:
1) the soundfile hack opened up must of the previously locked data in il2, including plane features like engines, wing shape, plane size, mirrors, cockpit shape and canopy bars/glass, removing cockpits completely, etc..
2) even on servers running checksum 2 they cant detect soundmod files or other additionally edited parameters anymore
3) i have posted you examples of people adding gyro sights to planes that normally dont have them, adding mirrors, and people flying unauthorized planes on full real servers. if you look at the files the hack kiddies use, all that is available, and you have no way of telling what is switched on/off when they then join servers online

and that makes the situation much worse then befor all this soundmod started being available to everyone and his dog.

i'm not sure what else you'd need. i'd say using any of those features on servers that are set to full real constitutes cheating since, it gives an unfair advantage compared to the other flyer's.

and as some of the hack kiddies put it themselves

:lowfighter

If I wanted to cheat with a plane I'd add just say 5% boost in any performance compartment (turn time, climb rate etc), then of course it would be hard to prove anything about my cheating.
I believe there are cheaters, but the question is how many percentagewise, and how smart?
Sure it's impossible to answer such questions...

it doesnt matter whatsoever to most legitimate il2 users if some people used hacked files like that on their own, or with their little friends in some online server. what matters is that you now dont know anymore what unfair advantages other people have when you join some of the better online servers.

[Lo0n]

Originally Posted by zapatista

urufu,

i think this is your first post in this thread, so i'll take it at face value that your not just trolling like the hack kiddies who just want to keep advertising their vandalism here.

about the "cheating" with the soundmod files, the following things are known beyond doubt:
1) the soundfile hack opened up must of the previously locked data in il2, including plane features like engines, wing shape, plane size, mirrors, cockpit shape and canopy bars/glass, removing cockpits completely, etc..
2) even on servers running checksum 2 they cant detect soundmod files or other additionally edited parameters anymore
3) i have posted you examples of people adding gyro sights to planes that normally dont have them, adding mirrors, and people flying unauthorized planes on full real servers. if you look at the files the hack kiddies use, all that is available, and you have no way of telling what is switched on/off when they then join servers online

good job advertising yourself there zap, seems to me that you are one of those "hack kiddies".
the locked data... well i've not seen where it has opened up wing shape or removed sections of pits, or resized them... i've seen an added mirror and a swapped out gun sight, only done with a heap of photographic and written evidence to back it up.
speaking of evidence... not seen any from yourself about this checksum=2 being broken, please do show us, come one. you must have it somewhere, someone of your vastly superior intellect and maturity must be able to produce this, surely? or do you want to leave it to throwing insults, trying to "cry to headteacher" or get those wanting to discuss this banned?

[Viking]

Please guys let it drop!

Zapatista is only striving to get this thread closed down so he can claim “victory”.
Refrain from answering and arguing and just let this thread stand as an monument over the unjust accusations.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Lo0n

good job advertising yourself there zap, seems to me that you are one of those "hack kiddies".

its like the old joke about the fool being able to ask more questions then 10 wise men can answer lol

i'll give you a similar one in return, unless you right now jump of the roof of your house then this proves you are cheating online.

easy really, how to create an absurd argument.try and use some higher reasoning functions next time, add a bit of executive control to the thoughts popping up in your reptilian brain centers.

yeps i had a look this afternoon to see which places provided the qtim files and hacks, simple really, took exactly 3 min with google. even funnier how there seems to be no honor amongst thieves, and half you lot that are blabbering here arn't even aware what exactly can be done with those files now, or how bad things have gotten. neither do you even seem to read your own forums very well it seems.

Originally Posted by Lo0n

the locked data... well i've not seen where it has opened up wing shape or removed sections of pits, or resized them... i've seen an added mirror and a swapped out gun sight, only done with a heap of photographic and written evidence to back it up.

thats why its so easy to determine most of you "hack apologists" are just trolling here, you come and pretend to be all innocent, and all this is blatant in your own back yard.

how about a nice G4 replacing the G2 109 in game ? a bit of a hack job in all the cutting and welding, or should i say cutting and pasting ?

This G4 replaces the stock G2 in the sim.
Arrow Fuselage: From G2.
Arrow Wings: Taken from G6 (>To obtain the little wing bulges ).
Arrow Wheels & undercarriage: Taken from G6 (>To obtain the fixed tailwheel ).

or how about a "G10-Erla" replaces the stock G10 in the sim ?
again all you need is a bit of cut and pasting

Tailplane: From G10.
Wheels & undercarriage: Taken from G10
Engine hood: Taken from G2 , To obtain the flat left engine hood and a correct harmonization between MGs furrows and compressor intake
Antenna: Taken from K4 (>for the specific antenna missing mast).
Wings: Taken from K4 (>for the large wing bulges )

et voila, nothing a 12 yo with notepad cant do

ahh and lets have a little guess now to see whom of you think that with all this the visibility from the cockpit will be improved or reduced compared to the stock standard planes ?

1, 2, 3... all together now, ... improved of course ! they have even removed the armored cockpit glass visual effect so you can see better.

and i have another riddle for you now, will using these planes now be detected when joining full real servers.... you should know the answer by now, of course they wont. and half the lot of you will keep jabbering on of course that using these planes is "more real", lol except of course you wont be telling the other people on the servers you are using them

http://rapidshare.com/files/77673952...sters.zip.html

Originally Posted by Lo0n

speaking of evidence... not seen any from yourself about this checksum=2 being broken, please do show us .

hang on now, you want me to hack my own files and go and cheat online to prove to the cheaters that it is possible ? you might have missed it, but i am here arguing against it.

[Lo0n]

Originally Posted by Baron

Like i said, if`s and buts till the cows come home.


U said it yourselfe, if u wanted to be difficoult u could................


Wich is exactly whats hapening here.



BTW, U or your modfriends dont get to decide whats trolling and whats not.......sry.


Thx.



Gonna listen to Evgeny here and drop this dead horse and move on.

the only "if" was "if i wanted to be difficult" which was an illustration of how far you could go to back up your claims, given the apparent lack of evidence. i do not need to go to that extent because you are incapable of posting a simple video to back up what you say. and no-one gets to decide what trolling is, it simply is trolling. you are providing a world class example. as for the horse - it's more of a bloody smear that is still being hit with sticks.
still busy at the other place zap?
oh, just for added flavour

Originally Posted by Baron

Dont worrie Zapatista.

Some people in theese forums got it into theire heads that it is up to them to decide the rules here and what goes and what doesnt.

That will change very soon.

yep, people like Zap

Originally Posted by zapatista

you have my vote !

kick the lot of them out

Originally Posted by Baron

But again, leave it alone in here, your only feeding the trolls.

or in this case, each other.

[LEXX]

Urufu_Shinjiro::

No one denies that the potential for cheating is there, what we are denying is that using a mod makes you a cheater and that the mods have increased the amount of cheating. I have not seen one single cheat that was attributable to the mods while flying online, I have seen packet cheaters though....

That's why this thread serves no purpose. If there is proof it would be poasted because it would need to be talked about. Further, if there is proven hack cheating, than its because of Online cheaters in anonymous public dogfight shooter servers and not honest Online players or Offline players.