Why does luthier even bother?

[Fliegenpilz]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

Too much talking. I love this "alpha", "beta", "totally porked sim" since day one, and now...



EVEN MORE!

My words... +1

[Momod]

Quote:
Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM View Post
Too much talking. I love this "alpha", "beta", "totally porked sim" since day one, and now...



EVEN MORE!
My words... +1

Me Too.
My glass is half full and filling nicely at least now we have a decent server (Big thanks to the ATAG team) North Africa and Barbarossa or even Circus Planeset (Channel 41-42) would be a welcome addition.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

Too much talking. I love this "alpha", "beta", "totally porked sim" since day one, and now...



EVEN MORE!

That video is worth a thousand words!!!!!

[nearmiss]

Mostof us enjoy receiving the patches. It is a good reassurance things are happening, and hopefully improving.

I look at the names of contributors to this thread. It's a fact, most of you have been vehement complainers at various times. Timely information feeds the lions is my take on it.

So yeah, bring on beta and patches I'm please to DL every one of them and give them a go.

Happy Sunday to all.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

Mostof us enjoy receiving the patches. It is a good reassurance things are happening, and hopefully improving.

I look at the names of contributors to this thread. It's a fact, most of you have been vehement complainers at various times. Timely information feeds the lions is my take on it.

So yeah, bring on beta and patches I'm please to DL every one of them and give them a go.

Happy Sunday to all.

+1

Happy Sunday to you, too!

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Rjel

As Chivas said, if they had told people the game wasn't working at release (some might say broken), would people have purchased it?

Well one mans broken is another mans working

The word broken is very subjective and debatable

On one end of the scale some would define broken as the game does not even run/start
On the other end of the scale some would define broken as the color of the dash board is 'not correct'

So with that in mind, can you name one, or more, things that you consider to be broken?

Just so we know where you fall on that scale

Because I personally don't see anything I would call broken that would be consider a reason to not release the game.. Even in it's initial version release it was very playable.. As LoBiSoMeM, Fliegenpilz, Momod, Snapper, and nearmiss stated in their reply post yours.

As noted the term 'broken' means different things to different people, and as I suspected in my previous post, no one will be able to point to a 'real thing' that is missing from the game that was listed on the box. Thus 1C is NOT guilty of deceptive business practices' IMHO.

Because god knows if they were, one of these but hurt smacktards would have already started a class action suit against 1C/ubi listing said item. The fact that there is no such thing only proves what I already stated, buggie software does not equate to false advertisement.

Originally Posted by Rjel

Instead it seems that misinformation was put out that the game was running on a less than top of the line computer just before CoD's initial release to generate sales I would assume.

Another 'non real thing' example

For those whos game does run fine they do not belive misinformation was put out
For those whos game does not run fine they belive misinformation was put out

But neither can point to something that says it is guaranteed to run fine on 'their' PC

What with all the verity in PCs these days only a unrealistic person would expect game software to run perfect on all PCs upon it initial release. Thus once again 1C is NOT guilty of deceptive business practices' IMHO.

Originally Posted by Rjel

There was genuine excitement about that on the UBI forum only to be ruined by less than glowing user reports.

Which is true of most if not all new games

People tend to get a little excited.. and even hyper excited to the point that no release will meet their expectations! You know these types of people, they are the ones that expect a 'beta' patch to be perfect and free of bugs. The types that live and operate in a very unrealistic view of the world and therefore will never be satisfied.

Originally Posted by Rjel

I find that deceptive.

Well that is your opinion

But know that you have pointed to no 'real thing' IMHO, just subjective and debatable things. Case in point, look at all the people who posted after your last post that consider the game to be very playable as is. Granted there are some people is this world that will be happy staring at the blue screen of death, but I don't think any of those people that posted after you did those extreme types. They find a lot of value in the game as is. So knowing that some people are happy with it and some people are unhappy with it tells you that this is not deception on 1Cs part.. More different expectations on the users part! Read as different opinions on what the definition of broken/deceptive means, not some conspiracy by 1C.

Originally Posted by Rjel

I said nothing about false advertising. I understand what buggy is. I understand all features previously mentioned over CoDs development lifetime might not make the initial release.

That is good to hear!

Originally Posted by Rjel

What I don't understand is claiming boldly that a product works acceptably well when clearly it didn't.

That is easy to understand onces you stop and consider the verity in PC

Originally Posted by Rjel

That is deception, if not an outright lie.

Disagree 100%

Originally Posted by Rjel

More than that it was and is disappointing considering the relationship we previously had with the Il2 team.

That cuts both ways!

1C could say the same about the user.. What with 1C's history of support and providing free upgrades I think 1C must be kind of surprise at the response it is getting from 'some' of these sold called users they thought they had a relationship with.

[ElAurens]

Beta testing is messy, often frustrating, almost always tedious work that often leads to me just shutting the computer down (if the game test in question didn't do it for me...) and taking a break.

Sure it has it's rewarding moments, like seeing stuff before the general community if it's a closed beta, or knowing that you helped in some small way to make the title in question better for everyone. However, mostly its boring, repetitive work with lots of note taking and usually done alone.

In essence it's not fun, and it's not for everyone.

So rather than come in here and make wind up posts about the state of how the game was released, or how the BETA crashed your system, why not just go back to the standard release version, fly the sim as it is and wait for those who can handle beta testing to do their work so you can play.

That alone would go a long way towards making things better for us all, and create a more civil environment on this now going down in flames forum.

[Vengeanze]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

Mostof us enjoy receiving the patches. It is a good reassurance things are happening, and hopefully improving.

I look at the names of contributors to this thread. It's a fact, most of you have been vehement complainers at various times. Timely information feeds the lions is my take on it.

So yeah, bring on beta and patches I'm please to DL every one of them and give them a go.

Happy Sunday to all.

I dunno which category I fall into but I've been a contributor to this thread and I've been complaining. But I stopped when they released the hotfix. Now I'm enjoying and beta testing this sim like everyone else. It's a masterpiece.
However, I'm still stunned how they could miss the so obvious explosion bug. Only reason I can see is that they do not really test the game (just the parts they've been working on) prior to releasing a beta thus using us as their testers. Some are ok with that and other not so much. But that's what we got now so I'm suckin it.
EDIT: Just read ElAurens post and want to say that releasing a public beta and then assume that it'll work like a closed beta is not possible. It's like putting a bucket of cakemix infront of your kid and tell him not to eat anything yet cause "it's not done".
Sorry, as long as it's public I'll download it and will make my voice heard in this forum.
But like I said earlier, I vote for a closed beta.

I've got two issues with CloD. Number one is that the optimization hasn't been done yet. On the contrary framerate are even worse than earlier.
My fps is around 30 now when it use to be close to 40. I won't lower any more settings so optimization is my main interest right now.

Second, all the small details that are wrong, like inverted controls, weird colors, spelling errors, sucky campaign, missing AI comms, non-intuitive menues, defuncked loadouts, etc is a sign of a programming culture that I'm not use to or perhaps lack of resources (programmers).

I think it's important to understand that most if not all of us in here are great fans of the IL-2 series and we all want CloD to "be all it can be". I think alot of the complaining springs from frustration and eagerness.

[Pudfark]

Originally Posted by Vengeanze

I dunno which category I fall into but I've been a contributor to this thread and I've been complaining. But I stopped when they released the hotfix. Now I'm enjoying and beta testing this sim like everyone else. It's a masterpiece.
However, I'm still stunned how they could miss the so obvious explosion bug. Only reason I can see is that they do not really test the game (just the parts they've been working on) prior to releasing a beta thus using us as their testers. Some are ok with that and other not so much. But that's what we got now so I'm suckin it.
EDIT: Just read ElAurens post and want to say that releasing a public beta and then assume that it'll work like a closed beta is not possible. It's like putting a bucket of cakemix infront of your kid and tell him not to eat anything yet cause "it's not done".
Sorry, as long as it's public I'll download it and will make my voice heard in this forum.
But like I said earlier, I vote for a closed beta.

I've got two issues with CloD. Number one is that the optimization hasn't been done yet. On the contrary framerate are even worse than earlier.
My fps is around 30 now when it use to be close to 40. I won't lower any more settings so optimization is my main interest right now.

Second, all the small details that are wrong, like inverted controls, weird colors, spelling errors, sucky campaign, missing AI comms, non-intuitive menues, defuncked loadouts, etc is a sign of a programming culture that I'm not use to or perhaps lack of resources (programmers).

I think it's important to understand that most if not all of us in here are great fans of the IL-2 series and we all want CloD to "be all it can be". I think alot of the complaining springs from frustration and eagerness.

Exactly....

[zwiebacksaege]

So you complain about how we can dare to raise critics on a beta patch because you think we don't understand the word "beta"? Well the word "patch" is also inside this, dear friends!
And patch in my opinion means that an existing thing is made better.
I just don't understand why formerly working things need to be destroyed for placing new features - this is just not what I expect to be a "patch" - beta or not. Maybe we just need a new name for it. midnight try-out or something like that...