Why does luthier even bother?
 

I have to wonder what part of 'beta' do these people not understand?

I mean the download clearly says 'beta' in the title.. right?

So I don't think they can say they didn't realize it is a 'beta' patch.. But than again their are people in their 30s trying to sue cigarette companies claiming they didn't realize smoking was bad.. Even though cigarette packages have had warning labels for over 30 years.. So I guess I am not surprised that a few people try to..

I guess I just never realized there were 'so many' of these 'few' types of people.

Here luthier gives us a beta patch to 'test'.. Yet these people act shocked that there is a bug in a beta patch? To the point that some are having a total break down hissy fit and saying they give up..

@ luthier.. I know you meant well..

And I know you thought you might be able to receive some useful feedback by releasing this beta patch to the masses.. The idea being more people beta testings means you will be able to find and fix bugs sooner..

And I know you even went as far as to say in your first post, i.e.

Yet they act as if you said nothing at all.. based on the majority of the responses thus far..

I think you might be better off sticking to the way you have done it in the past.. Just release the beta patch to your smaller select group of testers..

Oh sure that means it will take longer to find bugs because there are less people beta testing..

But when you consider that 'most' of the 'masses' are not even willing to make use of a work around (turn effects to low) to continue beta testing..

You got to ask yourself is it worth the trouble?

Clearly 'most' of the 'masses' here have no idea of what beta means and the purpose behind releasing a beta patch

Sad isn't it..

+1

Agreed, going to fly without effects for the time being since I discovered something else that is rather important to me but have to confirm that it really works.
It seems no more auto take off as flight leader, only tried one mission, but with manual take off the flight recognized me and followed instead of flying along the waypoints.

To me the devs are on the right track and the effects thing will not stay like this, it'll be fixed.

Releasing a beta that locks the game at first explosion????!!!?!?! :o
How does that give you confidence in their competence?
How could it slip through?
If they knew about it then perhaps communicate that to us - their unpaid beta testers.

After the last patch I don't doubt their competence, and I was a huge critic before.

These guys know what they are doing, and it sucks that the game isn't where by all rights it should be, but the development is happening, and in the meantime the game is EXTREMELY enjoyable!

Im happy to wait, but would be even happier if we got an E-7 and Afrika maps in the next patch lol.

Sorry, manual take off with the flight following only works in an escort mission where your "waypoint" are the bombers. In a "normal" fly there and shoot everything down mission they still just follow the waypoints, so autopilot take off, dang it.

Ok, perhaps it's not about their competence as programmers but more about the organization, how they work and set priority. About the allocated resources and how they use them.
Maybe they knew about the explosion bug but wanted us to test other stuff.
Maybe it's a culture thing; "some duct tape will fix it".
I don't know cause I haven't got any information(wish I could say "not enough info").

Either way I've lost confidence that they have the ability to get this game off the ground any time soon.

Hopefully I'll be back after the next official patch praising their skills. Experience says otherwise. :-(
I'm not angry, I'm sad.

They did communicate that to us, maybe you want to read the sticky for this beta patch again.
It is the purpose of a beta patch, which is by it's definition unfinished and experimental, to see how it runs and apart from the effects bug it runs just fine. So they are going to iron this out and release a stable retail patch.

In the meantime roll back to a previous version or turn the effects off.

We could only be upset if this had been the retail patch.

Oh and Ace,
why does Luthier bother?
I said it when I was brand new to the forum and gave it as one reason why, despite all the negativity, I bought the game......because I believe he and the dev team care.
I bought the sim because I wanted to support them taking a concious risk and so far it has payed off for me with many hours of flying fun.
They did not have the start they should have had, but they are working on it, they love what they are doing and they will bring this sim to the state that they as well want it to be in.

All I hear from you before beta patch release is where's the patch, where's the patch like a little girl asking for her cabbage patch........... well here it is so stop bitching you turd herder.