Man Made Global Warming

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Porsche

Guys the point I tried to post in earlier discussions was the fact that neither side is right. You have people that are inherently left or right. These people are the ones that get their panties in a twist. When one person accuses Fox news of being right and that it is in essence evil then you have outed that person as being a leftist. The point being Fox and CNN in America are both propaganda channels that are designed to take your thinking away and have you always accusing the problems of the country/world on the other side. Have a brain and think for yourself. If everyone could actually think for themselves and not be programmed to think other than what is being bombarded on the channel they watch then the whole world would be a better place. Europeans I have found in many ways do not understand Americans. We have two sides in our country. One of people who are inherently Socialists. They think the government should take care of everyone and dictate what they should do. Now they will tell you that's not the case however they will argue for this all the time. Then you have the Right that does not want government in anything however as they preach this they are dealing with companies that benefit from the military industrial complex. Then there are people that see things in the middle of the two. They realize that the government takes care of many things already and that being 100% supposedly Free Market and self regulated has led us to where our financial situation is. However there are only two parties in American politics. Both have collectively voted for and caused all the problems. In America both sides try to brainwash the people to associate one side with either the complete left or complete right. Too many younger people are influenced by this and seem to attack or get extremely angry at anyone that does not have their view/ or the view of their party. This is called divide and conquer. Everyone here realize that no one is 100% right. That does not exist in real life. We all need to work together to make the world a better place for the future. Truly listen to each others opinions. From there you will be able to break out of the brainwashed ideas you have been fed. You will grow your mind and become the person you are meant to be. Not what the news channel tells you. We are all alike anywhere in the world. It is external factors telling you otherwise.

Peace everyone...

I am not exactly sure what this implies. Every Nation only works upon the basis that their population, at least to a certain degree, are on one page. You have a failed state if opinions diverge to such a degree that people can't get together anymore. You have to teach your youth "something". That is not brainwashing, that is education.

The mere fact that you speak of "propaganda" channels points in this direction.

Furthermore, science is science. Politics naturally also plays a role in science, but in the US, there is no science anymore. It was replaced by "opinions".

Now I studied US history quite a bit, mostsly for the reason that it was a role model for my younger self. And though you may call CNN propaganda, FOX News, when it appeared, immidiatly fell out in this regard as a news channel on one level with some of the cheapest tabloids out there. A cheap tabloid that managed to transform a once highly respectful party into a bunch of out of their minds lunatics.

Also, Fox News is a fairly new news channel, insofar one could argue that it is them trying to topple the "old" USA. That at least is the impression coming over to other places.

Or let's put it another way...roughly since FOX news appeared, the US has seen a constant decline in wealth, respect and reputation throughout the world. I doubt that is a coincidence. That ridicolous labeling of everything being socialist and communist is just the tip of the iceberg. We lived here right next to real communism, and what Fox labels as such does not even come close to that.

If Fox News has it's way, then you end up in a society more akin to Latin america and Greece, where elites do not even have to dodge taxes anymore because they want to get rid of them alltogether. The funny thing is, unlike any other country, that the blue collars actually support that.

It is a devious game that plays on the hope of the common man to get rich one day himself. (which basically is impossible anyways

[5./JG27.Farber]

The best place to get news from is the "enemy", watch your own countries news then watch Russia Today or Aljezera... Then make up your own mind

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

The best place to get news from is the "enemy", watch your own countries news then watch Russia Today or Aljezera... Then make up your own mind

Exactly. Watch the enemies news. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer. You don't have to watch anything international to see enemy news though you have it right in your own backyard. Every place has it.

[MadBlaster]

Originally Posted by MD_Titus

health insurance that goes to a company whose interest is their profit margin, rather than a state collected tax whose interest is (one would hope) the health of it's population.

No. Private insurance is simply pooling of risk by a group that has a common interest to minimize it. You don't understand competitive market theory, obviously. No one is forcing you to buy it and bump up those evil profit margins. Health insurance could be as competitive as auto insurance, if allowed. But I guess you would rather sponge. Get your low income exemption. Have others foot the bill for your gluttony and ignoramus lifestyle. Eating your food stamp twinkies and cupcakes all day. Then when your day of diabetes approaches, you expect the other guy to pay for it. Mandating that I buy into the government program or go to jail. How truly pathetic.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

The best place to get news from is the "enemy", watch your own countries news then watch Russia Today or Aljezera... Then make up your own mind

enemy, eh?

[Oldschool61]

Originally Posted by MadBlaster

No. Private insurance is simply pooling of risk by a group that has a common interest to minimize it. You don't understand competitive market theory, obviously. No one is forcing you to buy it and bump up those evil profit margins. Health insurance could be as competitive as auto insurance, if allowed. But I guess you would rather sponge. Get your low income exemption. Have others foot the bill for your gluttony and ignoramus lifestyle. Eating your food stamp twinkies and cupcakes all day. Then when your day of diabetes approaches, you expect the other guy to pay for it. Mandating that I buy into the government program or go to jail. How truly pathetic.

What does this have to do with climate change?? And I thought personal attacks were against the forum rules?

[MadBlaster]

Originally Posted by Oldschool61

What does this have to do with climate change?? And I thought personal attacks were against the forum rules?

it is another example of socialist wealth transfer scheme and damage to individual freedom. we await the supreme court decision this obummer-summer.

let the twinkies and cupcakes speak for themselves. "You/your" in this context is a language device, obviously. i don't know titan personally, just what he espouses.

[_OD_]

Originally Posted by MadBlaster

it is another example of socialist wealth transfer scheme and damage to individual freedom. we await the supreme court decision this obummer-summer.

Seriously?

I'm trying not to get too drawn it but this is quite an outrageous attack on some peoples beliefs, and the systems employed by some nations.

Everyone in the UK pays National Insurance. This is meant to provide you with a state pension, welfare if you lose your job (unless out of choice and providing you are looking for work) and access to healthcare when you need it and not if you can afford it.

What you are "espousing" is letting the poorer sections of society die because they can not afford health insurance. True you do not have to buy it but if you don't how are you meant to afford health care if you get cancer, or a life threatening disease? This is not an issue in the UK. If you want to get private health care that is up to you but EVERYONE has access to the National Health Service. How is this a bad thing?

This world is not just for the rich...I believe your own constitution states all men are created equal...just seems from your posts that some are more equal than others.

Plus...as one of the above posts said...what's this got to do with gloabl warming?

[MadBlaster]

Originally Posted by _OD_

Seriously?

I'm trying not to get too drawn it but this is quite an outrageous attack on some peoples beliefs, and the systems employed by some nations.

Everyone in the UK pays National Insurance. This is meant to provide you with a state pension, welfare if you lose your job (unless out of choice and providing you are looking for work) and access to healthcare when you need it and not if you can afford it.

What you are "espousing" is letting the poorer sections of society die because they can not afford health insurance. True you do not have to buy it but if you don't how are you meant to afford health care if you get cancer, or a life threatening disease? This is not an issue in the UK. If you want to get private health care that is up to you but EVERYONE has access to the National Health Service. How is this a bad thing?

This world is not just for the rich...I believe your own constitution states all men are created equal...just seems from your posts that some are more equal than others.

Plus...as one of the above posts said...what's this got to do with gloabl warming?

fyi, we already have medicare and medicaid wealth transfer scheme in usa for long time. obummer care is an attempt to make us more euro style/socialized, so what I am espousing is that you don't put me in jail because I don't want to pay the lazy fat asses down the street health care because they are too fricken lazy to get a job. many "progressives" are milking the system for all it is worth, often living a glutton lifestyle. when we work in the usa, we pay into the system. its called fica taxes at the national level. those fica revenues go to social security and medicare schemes. a return of those revenues is not guaranteed to the payor. it is by definition a wealth redistribution/transfer.

sure, all men are created equal, but that doesn't imply a free ride. Also, you euros seem to view money as being rich. sure that is true, but some of us in usa view freedom as being rich and more important than money. the money follows from the freedom. it is a byproduct of your work. it should generally not be confiscated to support the deadbeat, lazy, unproductive, irresponsible. Yes, it is taxed to support the general welfare/public good as per the constitution (e.g., national defense, roads, etc.). but "guaranteed" healthcare for everyone is not part of that public good. i hate to break it to you, we aren't supposed to live forever. life isn't always fair. the dingo took the baby.

[Oldschool61]

Originally Posted by _OD_

Seriously?

I'm trying not to get too drawn it but this is quite an outrageous attack on some peoples beliefs, and the systems employed by some nations.

Everyone in the UK pays National Insurance. This is meant to provide you with a state pension, welfare if you lose your job (unless out of choice and providing you are looking for work) and access to healthcare when you need it and not if you can afford it.

What you are "espousing" is letting the poorer sections of society die because they can not afford health insurance. True you do not have to buy it but if you don't how are you meant to afford health care if you get cancer, or a life threatening disease? This is not an issue in the UK. If you want to get private health care that is up to you but EVERYONE has access to the National Health Service. How is this a bad thing?

This world is not just for the rich...I believe your own constitution states all men are created equal...just seems from your posts that some are more equal than others.

Plus...as one of the above posts said...what's this got to do with gloabl warming?

He is what us educated refer to as an ignorant redneck!!