Reno air crash ( P51 )

[ElAurens]

Age discrimination is an awful thing.

Pity the young bucks don't seem to think they will ever grow old.

[diveplane]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

The interview he gave for TV the day before gave me the impression he was pretty chipper and spritely for a 'pensioner', you seem to be a little unfair.....without actually saying it you are inferring he was a disabled old fogey who could barely walk? when the truth is he could probably out fly most younger pilots, he passed the required medical standards, I will tell you this now, there is no means of guaranteeing you won't drop dead from a heart attack at any age even if you just walked out of the AME's surgery after your ecg test.

take into account ground officials had the no flyzone way to close, and crowds way to close to runways.
if i was in investigation heads would be fired and rolled.

new laws implemented asap. so the reduction risk of accidents or possible disasters narrows down.yea i agree nothing is full proof but..


1=maximum age fly high g display and performance aircraft imo age 55 tops men woman =50
2=all aircraft be it a cessna air trike to a 747 , hot air balloon outfitted with some tracking and recording unit in the event of crash and recover, data can be pulled from it to narrow down cause.
3= display crowds pushed back from flighline runway no fly zones increased.

some of the measures that make sence to safely enjoy displays
and aircraft in flight.

[bongodriver]

1. thats ageist and sexist, without a shred of proof that these are necessary steps.
2. that's gonna cost.....who will pick up the tab
3. yes but will that 'ever' guarantee anything, lets just ban the whole thing because once airshows can only be viewed through hi-power binoculars then what's the point.

[diveplane]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

1. thats ageist and sexist, without a shred of proof that these are necessary steps.
2. that's gonna cost.....who will pick up the tab
3. yes but will that 'ever' guarantee anything, lets just ban the whole thing because once airshows can only be viewed through hi-power binoculars then what's the point.

nothing sexist here. if i was charge thats what it would be.

cost would be loaded onto fly buffs want to wizz around. i know passenger aviation already have these measures in place tracking and data black box.

yep push back crowds from flightline.

[bongodriver]

nothing sexist here. if i was charge thats what it would be.

so it's not sexist just because its your oppinion?

cost would be loaded onto fly buffs want to wizz around

this kind of regulation forces the cost up on a pastime which is already stigmatised as a 'rich mans sport', which is why you won't find many warbird pilots younger than 55 because to be honest you need to be rich and retired to afford to do this, and flying schools just couldnt afford to soak up the cost of this either........death of recreational aviation.

yep push back crowds from flightline.

No push back the people who don't have an interest in this pastime from ever being able to make the rules.

[diveplane]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

so it's not sexist just because its your oppinion?



this kind of regulation forces the cost up on a pastime which is already stigmatised as a 'rich mans sport', which is why you won't find many warbird pilots younger than 55 because to be honest you need to be rich and retired to afford to do this, and flying schools just couldnt afford to soak up the cost of this either........death of recreational aviation.



No push back the people who don't have an interest in this pastime from ever being able to make the rules.

rich retired could hire young fit pilots to fly the toys this employs people, always a workaround.
wont see the airforce hire 74 year olds fly f16s f22s . maximum minimum with
them. some are taking it the wrong way really its for safer displays and skies.



this new video below,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybgd0...eature=related

impact was so great see the motor being ejected from the air frame rolling many hundreds of feet away from impact.

he seamed to have almost dropped 70 80 degree nose first, quite a altitude as well

RIP to pilot and spectators that died.. sad day.

[diveplane]

witness reports pointing more to airframe failure ,or locked flight controls.

watch video below

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4fJV...eature=related

[bongodriver]

rich retired could hire young fit pilots to fly the toys this employs people, always a workaround.
wont see the airforce hire 74 year olds fly f16s f22s . maximum minimum with
them. some are taking it the wrong way really its for safer displays and skies.

Rich retired worked hard all their lives so they might have at least some fun....youngsters can wait their turn.

Military wont hire anybody, you either volunteer or are conscripted, you are booted out at retirement because it's the way of the world with civil/military service, they recruit young because you are expected to learn and grow quickly at minimum cost, there are fast jet pilots who still fly in military service right up to retirement age, there have even been cases of fast jet pilots continuing careers after major surgeries (RAF jaguar pilot had heart and lung transplant and continued flying....sadly killed in a midair caused by a light aircraft)

young pilots crash too....do you have 'any' and I mean 'any' proof that age is a problem in this case? like official medical studies on the subject, or is it just ageism on your part.

[ATAG_Doc]

The smoke is his trademark for the plane. It's the Galloping Ghost so he can turn it off and on. You can see that here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLk3wwVrvwc

However here is a new video of the crash. Sorry if its already been posted in here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNtERSeYMUM&

Jimmy was a legend. He developed a residential community with approximately 180 homes in it and about 200 planes owned by the residents surrounding a 6000 foot runway in Florida. The flying community has suffered a huge loss.

RIP Jimmy.

[Mysticpuma]

New picture, less than a second from impact.....those in the way had no chance.

RIP

Another angle:

(Please be aware the posters on the following links have no compassion, I can't help their inhumanity) Click on the link above the white square to view the video.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ffe_1316240833

For another video, one showing the inverted barrel roll he went into seconds before the collision, see this link:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2e9_1316224603

MP