Reno air crash ( P51 )

[nearmiss]

Traveling at those speeds and manuevering hard stresses everything in any aircraft. A mechanical failure at those speeds, that low to the ground doesn't give much time for dealing with a problem.

The fans want to see the action, and the pilots have no choice. They must bring the action to lower levels.

The experienced pilot trying to parachute is a good indication there was a problem that he knew couldn't be solved. He didn't have time to do much of anything from what I saw.

[smokincrater]

Hmmm pretty nasty stuff.

[Flying Pencil]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Trust me I know what trim tabs do, that said what exactly are you disagreeing with, aren't you just confirming my point?

I disagree he did not have a chance.
However another source pointed out a very similar incident where pilot encountered a brief but very strong G forces.
Voodoo in 1999 I think.

So it seems maybe Jimmy was rendered unconscious for a few seconds.


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[Flying Pencil]

Originally Posted by diveplane

take into account ground officials had the no flyzone way to close, and crowds way to close to runways.
if i was in investigation heads would be fired and rolled.

new laws implemented asap. so the reduction risk of accidents or possible disasters narrows down.yea i agree nothing is full proof but..


1=maximum age fly high g display and performance aircraft imo age 55 tops men woman =50
2=all aircraft be it a cessna air trike to a 747 , hot air balloon outfitted with some tracking and recording unit in the event of crash and recover, data can be pulled from it to narrow down cause.
3= display crowds pushed back from flighline runway no fly zones increased.

some of the measures that make sence to safely enjoy displays
and aircraft in flight.

Did you ever work or volunteer for an airshow ?

Did you even research the number of airshow accidents that killed spectators and why those spectator where killed?

I almost wonder if you went to an airshow....


Danger is everywhere and even driving is a risk, and what you suggest has no guarantee spectators are spared in another freak accident.


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[Flying Pencil]

Originally Posted by Feathered_IV

Is there actually a cutoff age for this sort of racing, or is it as unlimited as the aircraft?

FAA medical.
Look it up.
Show organizers can also deny a participant if they question his ability.


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[Helrza]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

The reason...

450+mph.

Trim tab fails.

High G nose up attitude because of broken trim tab.

Pilot blacks out, seat collapses, etc...

Pretty much spells it out.

This is not the only thing ive noted that has gone wrong, in a few other pics there is a burst of steam/smoke from behind where the radiator intake should be (has been removed for streamlining i guess) which can be seen in another pic posted here, and also in another picture the tail wheel has extended. To me it seems it could be that something has blown out, throwing bits that have damaged other parts of the a/c, such as the trim tab and tail wheel locking mechanism.

[BadAim]

Has no one heard the old adage "If you've found nothing worth dying for, you've found nothing worth living for" ? I laugh in the face of all of you people who think this or that is "to dangerous" for the public. I have an answer for you: lock yourselves in your house and rot and leave the rest of us alone, because you'll never understand that risk is the only thing that brings value. Every single person who died in Reno yesterday "died with their boots on" doing what they loved (even if it was from a spectator seat), let them have that honor.

Two of my friends were 100' away, and I would have been there had finances allowed, don't try to tell me what I should or shouldn't be allowed to do you sniveling pukes.

If I have offended anyone with the above rant; To bad, I find myself constrained by common sense and simple cannot control my emotions when faced with people who have none.

This is from a local F15 pilot apparantly

"
Guys,

I’ve done some more research. This photo shows that Jimmy’s elevator trim tab is apparently missing. If that’s the case, there is some precedent to tell us what might have happened.

The same thing happened to Bob Hannah in 1996 in Bob Button’s Mustang, called “Voodoo Chile” at the time. Hannah’s trim tab came off at 450 MPH, and the airplane pitched up at over 10Gs, popping the tailwheel out and G-LOCing the pilot. He woke up at 9000’ AGL and successfully landed.

10Gs could also explain why the Jimmy’s helmet is not visible in the canopy (the photo I sent in the previous email.) He might have been slumped down below the rail.

--Buck "

[Rjel]

That old cliche that "they died doing what they loved" is a little hard to take. I doubt those who died had that as their last conscious thought. Unless I'm in the middle of the most beautiful woman I've ever known, I doubt it would be mine.

Originally Posted by BadAim

Has no one heard the old adage "If you've found nothing worth dying for, you've found nothing worth living for" ? I laugh in the face of all of you people who think this or that is "to dangerous" for the public. I have an answer for you: lock yourselves in your house and rot and leave the rest of us alone, because you'll never understand that risk is the only thing that brings value. Every single person who died in Reno yesterday "died with their boots on" doing what they loved (even if it was from a spectator seat), let them have that honor.

Two of my friends were 100' away, and I would have been there had finances allowed, don't try to tell me what I should or shouldn't be allowed to do you sniveling pukes.

If I have offended anyone with the above rant; To bad, I find myself constrained by common sense and simple cannot control my emotions when faced with people who have none.

Oh, then you have been attributed with the privilege to attribute who has common sense and who has not? I'd call this hybris.

Fact is that most spectators will expect the organizers to do the necessary for their safety and have trust in instructions given by authorities, instructions that are expected to assure safety.

According to your logic one could as well lift ALL restrictions to the spectators and even allow them to stroll on the runway if they like.