lets make a stand on the supresion of binaural sound in the game

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by IvanK

BS ! A lot of research was done to eradicate the unrealistic BS bouncing tacho. Research included talking to current spitfire pilots using RR Merlins (Mechanical Direct drive tachos) and Packard Merlins with Electrical drive tachos. In addition the relevant Maintenance engineers were talked to. In all cases both the pilots and the engineers stated unequivocally that little or no Bounce occurred in either of the systems..... This was the reason it was removed.

What you have done is taken the mechanical tachometer and replaced it with an electric tachometer of todays world. Needle bounce and squeaking noises, not to mention their inherent inaccuracy were the technology of that time and era....that's why they were in the game in the first place, change your opinion and get it back ASAP.

[IvanK]

No these aircraft are using original components.

[DroopSnoot]

Kiss binural sound goodbye. From hearing the audio recode, I would make a guess that ability has for now been written out.
Although the sound we have now for sure has better samples, its a sound mod and nothing more, the complexity of the audio code has been removed for simplicity.

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by IvanK

BS ! A lot of research was done to eradicate the unrealistic BS bouncing tacho. Research included talking to current spitfire pilots using RR Merlins (Mechanical Direct drive tachos) and Packard Merlins with Electrical drive tachos. In addition the relevant Maintenance engineers were talked to. In all cases both the pilots and the engineers stated unequivocally that little or no Bounce occurred in either of the systems..... This was the reason it was removed.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...ter#post263800

IvanK, you may disagree with my interpretation of Luthier's explanation re mechanical vs electrical tachometer; and that's fine. Obviously you have further information on this and it's good to share it with the rest of us.

However, I take great offense to your "BS" comment. This is not a schoolyard. I don't know you, you don't know me. But show a little more respect, will you?

Snapper

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...ter#post263800

IvanK, you may disagree with my interpretation of Luthier's explanation re mechanical vs electrical tachometer; and that's fine. Obviously you have further information on this and it's good to share it with the rest of us.

However, I take great offense to your "BS" comment. This is not a schoolyard. I don't know you, you don't know me. But show a little more respect, will you?

Snapper

There can be no serious evidence, because facts are difficult things to change. What gets me, is how the team bows to any criticism and makes these changes to pacify a few loud voices(even when they know its wrong...and so I ask what next). Its not just the tachometer that has been change, to an arcade level of presentation.

[IvanK]

I do disagree with your interpretation of Luthiers comment I know specifically on what occurred as I did the research. Luthiers comment in the thread you quote was:

"Replaced every tachometer in every British and Italian plane with an electrical type, since some people find needle movement on the mechanical type not what they expected." and not what you said:

"Look at the bouncing tachometer needle -- the authentic mechanical version before it got "dumbed down" to the steadier non-authentic electrical tach based on "fans' complaints"!

So it wasn't "dumbed down" based on "Fans complaint" .... but changed based on actual research. Luthiers comment regarding Electrical type was poorly worded (and discussed with him at the time) as the research indicated that direct drive Tachos (certainly on the Merlin) are steady and don't bounce as they were initially presented in the Sim.

No personal offence was meant by BS just a response to the "dumbed down" and "Fans complaint" comments as that I consider silly and wrong.

WRT to Tacho bounce IRL 3 current Spitfire pilots were spoken to and 2 engineers responsible for these aircraft were spoken too. The 3 Spitfires referred to in these discussions a MKVIII that was flown with RR Merlin with Direct drive Mechanical tacho. This aircraft was recently refitted with a Packard Merlin with Electrical Tacho. A Spitfire MKXVI fitted with Packard Merlin with Electrical tacho and Spit IXC powered by RR Merlin with Mechanical Direct Drive tacho. One of the pilots (current on both RR and Packard types) was actually shown a video of the original COD bouncing tacho to gauge his thoughts.... which in summary was he had never seen anything remotely like it.

What else concerns you Slipball that has been changed to an "Arcade level of presentation" ?

[ATAG_Snapper]

IvanK, thanks for the background on the mechanical/electrical tachometer topic. It's very interesting stuff and you have the advantage of first hand knowledge of what transpired which very few of us have. As for the "fans" and "dumbed down" issue which had you crying "BS"; Luthier makes frequent reference to Cliffs of Dover players as "fans" (I checked), and the "dumbed down" was my interpretation based on the little information we had been provided.

You may consider others' opinions "silly" and "wrong" based on having this information advantage -- good for you. But there's no need to be boorish about it. Just sayin'.

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by IvanK

I do disagree with your interpretation of Luthiers comment I know specifically on what occurred as I did the research. Luthiers comment in the thread you quote was:

"Replaced every tachometer in every British and Italian plane with an electrical type, since some people find needle movement on the mechanical type not what they expected." and not what you said:

"Look at the bouncing tachometer needle -- the authentic mechanical version before it got "dumbed down" to the steadier non-authentic electrical tach based on "fans' complaints"!

So it wasn't "dumbed down" based on "Fans complaint" .... but changed based on actual research. Luthiers comment regarding Electrical type was poorly worded (and discussed with him at the time) as the research indicated that direct drive Tachos (certainly on the Merlin) are steady and don't bounce as they were initially presented in the Sim.

No personal offence was meant by BS just a response to the "dumbed down" and "Fans complaint" comments as that I consider silly and wrong.

WRT to Tacho bounce IRL 3 current Spitfire pilots were spoken to and 2 engineers responsible for these aircraft were spoken too. The 3 Spitfires referred to in these discussions a MKVIII that was flown with RR Merlin with Direct drive Mechanical tacho. This aircraft was recently refitted with a Packard Merlin with Electrical Tacho. A Spitfire MKXVI fitted with Packard Merlin with Electrical tacho and Spit IXC powered by RR Merlin with Mechanical Direct Drive tacho. One of the pilots (current on both RR and Packard types) was actually shown a video of the original COD bouncing tacho to gauge his thoughts.... which in summary was he had never seen anything remotely like it.

What else concerns you Slipball that has been changed to an "Arcade level of presentation" ?

I know that you were well intentioned with your project on the tachometer. I do agree that the fluctuations of the needle were over done, and needed tweaking. Are you really happy with the end result?...I own a vehicle with a mechanical tachometer, it is certainly not like the rock steady gauge that we have now. What we have is just like the electronic tachometer thats in my car.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by raaaid

so lets demand that binaural clip to become stardand

Congratulations raaid!

Oh wait..

You said BInaural clip?

Sorry thought you were demanding something else bi

Disregard!

[hc_wolf]

"lets make a stand on the supresion of binaural sound in the game"

Raaaid you may wat to see a doctor about this if it gets worse