oleg, you better hurry, RoF is releasing a ww-2 sim next

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Originally Posted by Chivas

We never resolved anything in earlier posts.
In Canada I paid these amounts when the sims were released, not after they were in the bargain bin.

FSX Deluxe over $60 Canadian
OFF $50
IL-2 well over $50 for most installments ( IL-2, AEP, Pacific, FB, PE-2, IL-2 1946 )
CFS again well over $50 each for CFS1,2,3
EAW can't remember
ROWANs Battle of Britain over $50
BOB WOV over $50
ROF ......$39 Canadian is hardly full price.

Most of these sims were ok, but IMHO only two of them have a decent feel of flight and one of them is ROF.

your being deliberately misleading there

ncix.com is the only one that i can see selling RoF for the 39.99$. you keep quoting them so ademently as a point of comparison as if this is a valid comparison which is valid in most retail locations, BUT
- they do not include local sales taxes in those quoted prices (which many other websites do) and that will add about 10%,
- AND their shipping cost of 10$ is about double what the other stores quote (even if mailed inside the same state the ncix.com store is in) .
- by the looks of the product content they are not really a significant games retailer or flightsim supplier at all, and many of the major titles they dont carry (it is mainly pc hardware they sell), and i see many of the big current games are not on their list either.

so if that is your great claim to RoF's cheapness, bollocks !!

if you look at the main game retailers websites that do carry a range of flightsim products (as for ex listed in the recommended retailers list in this recent simhq thread http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.ph...s/2738493.html ) then you will find RoF is exactly prices as i already quoted to you before, SAME price as other normal "full" products or other major flightsims

and instead of going by some of the fantasy numbers you came up with from your dimming memory, lets just quote the normal prices at some of the major websites listed in the officially recommended suppliers that provide a comparison with the other FULL flightsim products they stock, and which are sold at NORMAL full retail prices

have a look at these prices from the RoF officially recommended sales point in north america (http://www.fspilotshop.com/index.php...a5cd2c1a262cc3)

Aerostudios - ATC Simulator "Pro Edition" $60.00

Aerostudios - ATC Simulator "Standard Edition" $40.00

Condor: The Competition Soaring Sim $49.95

DCS: Black Shark $49.95

Falcon 4: Allied Force $29.95

Flight Simulator X (FSX) Gold Edition $39.95

Flyboys Squadron $29.99

PRE-Flight Standard Edition $24.95

PRE-Flight Super Helicopter Edition $39.95

Rise of Flight: The First Great Air War $44.95

Warbirds 2008 $19.95

Wilco - Tower Simulator $40.00

Wilco - Tower Simulator Download $34.95

X-Plane 9 (PC) $49.95

if you can come up with one of the major legitimate flightsim software suppliers (that carries the normal full range of flightsim software products and games), which sells RoF at something like 30% of what they ask for fsX, lockon, black shark, Xplane, etc..., then i will send virre89 some free zit cream to his home address. but as you well know already, your argument doesnt hold up, its basically sold at full price, just like some of the other flightsims it is trying to compete with

Originally Posted by Chivas

There's nobody in these forms saying the sim perfect and ignoring the problems

wow, what a change of tune from the usual coolaid fueled chant that its fanboys sing on all the main forums, why dont you try and go there and mention just a few of its GLARING problems there and see what happens

Originally Posted by Chivas

Most everyone flying the sim, know its a WIP, and many are enjoying what content there is, understanding that the issues and content are being worked on.

bollocks, bollocks and more bollocks !!

it doesnt say that on the retail box or at retail websites, it doesnt give that as a blatant warning on the official RoF website, AND reviewers/previewers are not being told to advertise this and forewarn potential customers either

now that RoF is out "in the west" however the multiple problems it has are so obvious to any normal customer that with the orchestra of loud complaints they simply cant pretend anymore this is a complete game with the set of normal features you'd expect from any other software company, what is worse is that many of its problems and limitations have been DELIBERATELY added to try and squeeze more money out of customers with complete disregard of basic features and functions normally expected !

YOU might not mind that, and i am not here to tell you what YOU should like or not like, or spend your money on, but to now pretend people were forewarned about its problems is ridiculous. neither does it say at the entrance to their forums "this is a beta project only, thx for sending us your money to support us in the believe we will be able to resolve most of the main problems it currently has, and that we will give you a normal set of features and functions AND that we will unlock the game for you if our company flops"

to now pretend they have been open and forthcoming is silly, and neither are they in a grate haste to fix those main issues.

Originally Posted by Chivas

Will they be just adding paid content and not fixing bugs, not likely,

wrong again, they are already selling addon items they made, in my book that shouldnt be the case untill some of the major problems are resolved. this shows you clearly where their priorities lie, just in case you were not able to spot it earlier

Originally Posted by Chivas

as the people building the sim are enthusiasts not bean counters

yes there are some good aspects of RoF, but that doesnt excuse its problems or the flawed sales model they have implemented. would you accept it if all future games were in the same crap status when you bought them ? i doubt it, you'd be the first one yelling your lungs out and crying foul.

Originally Posted by Chivas

The only thing your right about is ROF is not a full game, but everyone knows that.

nonsense

Originally Posted by Chivas

What you can't seem to grasp is this game is a Work in Progress, released early to generate funds, and the 39 dollar price tag reflects that. As a work in progress you can expect bugs and some missing content will be added for free. Of course there will be paid content as well, how else do expect them to stay in business. We will likely pay as much for this sim series as we paid for other flight sim series depending on ROF's quality and longevity. This sim could generate a sustainable business or fail based the quality of the work. The existing ROF WIP is very good base to build on, and most simmers realize what it is.

and of you go again pretending RoF is so much cheaper then normal full games, which it clearly isnt, and the lame attempt at justification that everybody is forewarned about how flawed and beta it is, which isnt the case either

Originally Posted by Chivas

Could the sim fail and you are left with nothing, yes, but the more likely scenario... the DRM would be lifted, and the community would work on the sim.

you dont know that chivas, and there are already examples where exactly that happened, the company failed and shut down their servers, leaving everybody with NOTHING. if it was that simple to unlock i am sure some clever 12yo with a hex editor would have already done it by now. since you cant guarantee it will be unlocked, nor have some inside line to the developers, pretending it will be eventually unlocked is just another attempt of again putting a rosy spin on it. if the company is in financial trouble, which they already are right from the start by their own admittance, i doubt they will spend more of their money on unlocking the game and removing the restrictions they previously deliberately imposed