Over-revving the FW 190 D9 1945

[gaunt1]

Originally Posted by Woke Up Dead

That's the problem though, and that's how I burned the engine, running from a La-7. Sometimes you have to dive full out. Switching to manual pitch and setting to near 0 helps.

Hmmm, and since AI uses the engine very carefully, this explains why it is so easy to shoot down even a diving D9 in a La-7.

[KG26_Alpha]

La-7 should not be able to get anywhere near a FW D-9

Especially in a dive............

http://www.desertstar.co.uk/warbirds...formLa5La7.pdf

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.o...190d9test.html


For 11 years the La's have been "hotly debated" creatures.

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php...Oleg!!!-Forums

[Woke Up Dead]

Originally Posted by gaunt1

Hmmm, and since AI uses the engine very carefully, this explains why it is so easy to shoot down even a diving D9 in a La-7.

This was online. He couldn't follow me and I did manage to get away, but my engine died a few seconds later. So yes, the La-7 can't dive as fast as the D-9, but unless the D-9 pilot is super careful about his engine management then he will cook his engine while doing so.

This seems like a bug to me, it's almost like the pitch control system doesn't know to reduce pitch at very high speeds. I'll submit in the team DT thread.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by gaunt1

Hmmm, and since AI uses the engine very carefully, this explains why it is so easy to shoot down even a diving D9 in a La-7.

AI or human?

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

La-7 should not be able to get anywhere near a FW D-9

Especially in a dive............

http://www.desertstar.co.uk/warbirds...formLa5La7.pdf

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.o...190d9test.html


For 11 years the La's have been "hotly debated" creatures.

http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php...Oleg!!!-Forums

No I don't think it should either. If given time to accelerate it should be fine... even under the current conditions. Even before the max VNE, the La-7 begins to shed controls. The FW190D-9 can keep going... it's just the engine you need to worry about right now.

[gaunt1]

[QUOTE=IceFire;707711]AI or human?

Human La-7 vs AI 190D-9. AI maybe a little bit too careful with the engine. A human would still outdive the LA-7. It just needs a little abuse of the engine, just enough not to damage it. AI cant do that.

Of course, in reality it was easier to do it, La-7 wasnt that good even at medium altitudes.

[Jumoschwanz]

Originally Posted by gaunt1

]Of course, in reality it was easier to do it, La-7 wasnt that good even at medium altitudes.

How lucky we are to have actual WWII vets here to tell us how it was back in the day!

Anyway I just dove the 45' D9 from 5000 meters at full throttle with MW50 on and hit 870km/hr. I leveled out above the ground and held a speed above 800km/hr for quite a distance. Once it slowed down to 800km/hr I pulled back on the stick as hard as I could to see what would happened and that did not present any problems either except for a bit of a blackout. The plane made a few noises but no parts actually came off.

Now of course I fly only the official version of IL2, so I can not comment on how any of the various hacks/mods various people and their wet dreams have dumped onto the community......

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Jumoschwanz

How lucky we are to have actual WWII vets here to tell us how it was back in the day!

Anyway I just dove the 45' D9 from 5000 meters at full throttle with MW50 on and hit 870km/hr. I leveled out above the ground and held a speed above 800km/hr for quite a distance. Once it slowed down to 800km/hr I pulled back on the stick as hard as I could to see what would happened and that did not present any problems either except for a bit of a blackout. The plane made a few noises but no parts actually came off.

Now of course I fly only the official version of IL2, so I can not comment on how any of the various hacks/mods various people and their wet dreams have dumped onto the community......

I've done it a couple of times and then not again for ages... How many times did you try? I also only fly stock.

BTW: You've attributed that quote to me which is incorrect.

[Jumoschwanz]

I thought of why you guys are blowing up the engines on your German aircraft.

The answer is in one of the old readme files that came with one of the old patches.

I tested my theory again, diving the 45' d9 to 870, 880 and 890km/hr from 5k and then leveling out above the ground. If I get bored tomorrow I will shoot for 900 and above and see if the airframe holds together.

Of course I have all the old patches and readme files saved, lets see who can dig through theirs and find the answer first.
This is just off the top of my head now, an old IL2 Luftwaffe Ace, but if I get time I will take a look and note the specific readme that talks about this......

Happy hunting!

[Woke Up Dead]

Originally Posted by Jumoschwanz

How lucky we are to have actual WWII vets here to tell us how it was back in the day!

Anyway I just dove the 45' D9 from 5000 meters at full throttle with MW50 on and hit 870km/hr. I leveled out above the ground and held a speed above 800km/hr for quite a distance. Once it slowed down to 800km/hr I pulled back on the stick as hard as I could to see what would happened and that did not present any problems either except for a bit of a blackout. The plane made a few noises but no parts actually came off.

Now of course I fly only the official version of IL2, so I can not comment on how any of the various hacks/mods various people and their wet dreams have dumped onto the community......

I only fly the stock version too. Did you spawn at 5000m in quick mission or did you climb first to get your engine to normal temperature?

I can consistently fry my D9 1945 engine with this procedure:
- pick a summer map in QMB
- start at sea level, set radiator to automatic, turn on MW50
- climb to 5000m keeping the engine just under overheat temperature
- push throttle to 110% and dive steeply to reach 850km/h as soon as possible
- lessen dive angle a bit at 850km/h to avoid disintegrating, but try to keep it between 850 and 880 until you're on deck
- level out and run as fast as you can as low as you can as long as you can

I will get the overheat message right around the time I hit sea level, sometimes a bit later sometimes a bit sooner. Just seconds after that I will hear the engine make worrisome noises, and seconds after that it will die.

I find I can delay the fried engine if I set the radiator to "open" rather than "automatic." However, no matter the radiator setting I can't replicate this problem in the D9 1944, which does not have the MW50 but another boost system, or the 109 K-4 C3, which has the MW50 but another engine, or the Ta-152 H-1, which has the MW50 and I believe the same engine as the D9 1945.

[Jumoschwanz]

Originally Posted by Woke Up Dead

However, no matter the radiator setting I can't replicate this problem in the D9 1944, .

Wow, imagine that aircraft with two different engines or airframes would perform differently under the same conditions, amazing!

If that feature of IL2 is too "amazing" for someone to handle, then luckily they can choose less realistic settings.

I will maintain that there is a simple operational procedure that was outlined years ago in one of the readme files that explains the phenomena in question.

If someone is used to their aircraft and knows how to operate it then they will not ruin the engine, unless it has a random mechanical problem as is part of IL2 Realistic settings. If they are not used to the craft they are flying and have not read all the materials released with each aircraft and each feature that has been explained in the Readme notes, the manuals etc. with each edition and patch release then they will of course have problems.

I will do some peoples homework for them, but not everyone's, I simply don't have the time. The best gift you can give is to teach someone to fish for themselves.

Maybe someday I will get into a duel with someone online and I will win because I don't blow up my engine and can get more out of it, I earned that and it is mine to give away as well as it is yours to earn or give away as you see fit.

Happy fishing.