4.12 ai...

[cambaz]

I have some IA problems too in my single player Pilot Career before 4.11 AI was pretty good to compare to 4.12 because I am a luftwaffe Stuka pilot and when I take of and get in position back of the flight leader for formation flight others ( I am number 2 generally in formation ) other Stukas always collide with me number 3 always wants to take my place in formation and collides me in air and destroys me in mission on my way is there any way to correct this AI behavior ? if I change position and let him took my place and when I activate the autopilot my plane automatically heads to get in formation where #3 is flying and colliding again.

[KU_Rigamortis]

Is it possible to set a flight of 4 AI planes to spawn on the CV deck and then take off?

When I attempted to do so, the 4 AI planes do spawn on the carrier but always in the default formation (diamond). Planes 2-4 have wings folded, which they promptly extend and start engines. However, only plane 1 actually takes off. Planes 2-4 remain at full power on deck.

I think the carriers island structure is causing a collision interference and thus they don't continue with the launch cycle. I also tried this with a flight of 2 AI planes and get the same results.

I could spawn flights of 1 AI at 1 minute intervals and have them circle until a flight is airborne, but the number of waypoint legs around the CV would be large and rather cluttered.

Any pointers greatly appreciated. This may be something only a Flying Nutcase video could solve. I really miss his videos.

[Aviar]

Originally Posted by KU_Rigamortis

Is it possible to set a flight of 4 AI planes to spawn on the CV deck and then take off?

When I attempted to do so, the 4 AI planes do spawn on the carrier but always in the default formation (diamond). Planes 2-4 have wings folded, which they promptly extend and start engines. However, only plane 1 actually takes off. Planes 2-4 remain at full power on deck.

I think the carriers island structure is causing a collision interference and thus they don't continue with the launch cycle. I also tried this with a flight of 2 AI planes and get the same results.

I could spawn flights of 1 AI at 1 minute intervals and have them circle until a flight is airborne, but the number of waypoint legs around the CV would be large and rather cluttered.

Any pointers greatly appreciated. This may be something only a Flying Nutcase video could solve. I really miss his videos.

I'm not having any issues such as you described. Maybe you can post the mission you are having problems with?

Aviar

[KU_Rigamortis]

To expand on the issue I'm having.

First, for IJN side; I have been able to get A5M, A6M2-21, and B5N2 to spawn a flight of 4 and take off ok.

For U.S. side, I've been able to spawn a flight of 4 F2-A2 buffalos and they take off in pairs even clipping through the island superstructure. But, a group of 4 devastators will not launch except for plane 1. I even tried a different CV, shifting from SARA to LEX.

I'm sure it is a user problem vice IL-2.

Here are the files. It's just a simple set of tests for launching AI from CV, assigning fighters to escort bombers, then landing them back on the CV, vice a well thought out mission.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ur0dw4viei...oralseatd1.mis

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8jesnwpvi4...td1.properties


As a test, I also tried placing TBM-3's on a generic IJN CV and they won't launch from it either regardless of 1, 2, 3 or 4 planes in the flight.

[Aviar]

Originally Posted by KU_Rigamortis

To expand on the issue I'm having.

First, for IJN side; I have been able to get A5M, A6M2-21, and B5N2 to spawn a flight of 4 and take off ok.

For U.S. side, I've been able to spawn a flight of 4 F2-A2 buffalos and they take off in pairs even clipping through the island superstructure. But, a group of 4 devastators will not launch except for plane 1. I even tried a different CV, shifting from SARA to LEX.

I'm sure it is a user problem vice IL-2.

Here are the files. It's just a simple set of tests for launching AI from CV, assigning fighters to escort bombers, then landing them back on the CV, vice a well thought out mission.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ur0dw4viei...oralseatd1.mis

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8jesnwpvi4...td1.properties


As a test, I also tried placing TBM-3's on a generic IJN CV and they won't launch from it either regardless of 1, 2, 3 or 4 planes in the flight.

I tested the mission. The problem seems to be with the TBD-1. I tried using other 4-plane flights and they all took off fine (even the TBM-3). I tried the original mission in 4.11.1 and it worked fine.

I would say there may be some kind of bug with the TBD-1 in 4.12. It should be reported.

*BTW, when you create landing waypoints on a carrier, don't forget to 'Set' it to the carrier, like you do with the takeoff. Yours were not done correctly.

Aviar

[KU_Rigamortis]

Aviar,
Thank you for looking at this, and for the tip on setting the landing carrier. I never considered that point, and you're right the planes land on either carrier within the home base circle.

So I did some more testing and did eventually get the TBD-1 to launch 4 AI from the flight deck.

1st). U.S. CV Saratoga, I noticed that if the ship is within range of an enemy with her main guns, the guns traverse over the flight deck. I had 4 AI F4F-3's take off and plane 1 clips the forward gun mount destroying both the first plane and the gun. The 3rd plane to takeoff also hits the destroyed gun and flips into the air and crashes. Is it possible that the TBD-s sensed an interference with the gun and refused to launch plane 2, thus holding up plane 3 and 4 ?

2nd). I placed the generic CV with 4 TBD-1, 40% fuel, and a torpedo. Alongside it I put the IJN shokaku (making her same side) again with 4 TBD-1, 40% fuel, and a torpedo. On both ships the TBD-1's take off ok.

So it may well be user error as I suspected, Although I will have to keep the Saratoga farther away from enemy ships as she has a long range with her main guns.

[Aviar]

Originally Posted by KU_Rigamortis

Aviar,
Thank you for looking at this, and for the tip on setting the landing carrier. I never considered that point, and you're right the planes land on either carrier within the home base circle.

So I did some more testing and did eventually get the TBD-1 to launch 4 AI from the flight deck.

1st). U.S. CV Saratoga, I noticed that if the ship is within range of an enemy with her main guns, the guns traverse over the flight deck. I had 4 AI F4F-3's take off and plane 1 clips the forward gun mount destroying both the first plane and the gun. The 3rd plane to takeoff also hits the destroyed gun and flips into the air and crashes. Is it possible that the TBD-s sensed an interference with the gun and refused to launch plane 2, thus holding up plane 3 and 4 ?

2nd). I placed the generic CV with 4 TBD-1, 40% fuel, and a torpedo. Alongside it I put the IJN shokaku (making her same side) again with 4 TBD-1, 40% fuel, and a torpedo. On both ships the TBD-1's take off ok.

So it may well be user error as I suspected, Although I will have to keep the Saratoga farther away from enemy ships as she has a long range with her main guns.

You're 100% sure you got all 4 TBD-1's to take off? I couldn't get them to take off no matter what I tried. Can you post the mission where you got this to work?

Aviar

[FC99]

Originally Posted by cambaz

I have some IA problems too in my single player Pilot Career before 4.11 AI was pretty good to compare to 4.12 because I am a luftwaffe Stuka pilot and when I take of and get in position back of the flight leader for formation flight others ( I am number 2 generally in formation ) other Stukas always collide with me number 3 always wants to take my place in formation and collides me in air and destroys me in mission on my way is there any way to correct this AI behavior ? if I change position and let him took my place and when I activate the autopilot my plane automatically heads to get in formation where #3 is flying and colliding again.

Post the mission, I didn't have problems in my mission.

Originally Posted by Treetop64

Yes, there has been a marked increase of collisions between AI machines since the new patch, especially in DCG missions where larger bomber formations can be formed, or any mission where there are large bomber formations. It's an event that occurs on virtually every mission when there are enough aircraft in the mission. Sometimes entire formations are eventually wiped out, just by collisions other over the course of the mission.

Some problems are result of new formation option in mission. Original code is somewhat strange but it sort of worked. In DCG, I suppose, there is a lot of situation when flights are attached to each other. In old patches you could have something like this happen.

a=first flight , b= second flight
1a  
        
            2a
                
                        3a
                               1b                        
                                      2b 4a

Above situation is obviously wrong but it works and there is no collision .
In 4.12 it happens often that 4a and 1b collide because wrong group formation is selected. It should be better in 4.12.1 but how many changes in formation code will be necessary is yet to be seen.