fw 190a5 flight model

[jameson]

Gunz, if I ever get to meet Major Kozhemyako, I'll be sure to pass on your thoughts, he will, i'm sure, be impressed by them.

[MaxGunz]

And you are not.

I have run the roller coaster fight in a few sims since 1990. A wingover, which requires excess speed will beat a flat turn every time.

But I did not invent these things. I learned from others who learned from others (in some cases, their Air Force instructors). AFAICT the first to effectively use the vertical in combat was Max Immelmann in 1916.

Robert Shaw covers this in his book as well, right down to the foundations.

[K_Freddie]

The 'rollercoaster' was used by the WW2 FW190 pilots too. It's in that report of ''~Arrgg!! forgotten his name) when the Spit-V first encounted the FW190.

[jameson]

Originally Posted by MaxGunz

And you are not.

I have run the roller coaster fight in a few sims since 1990. A wingover, which requires excess speed will beat a flat turn every time.

But I did not invent these things. I learned from others who learned from others (in some cases, their Air Force instructors). AFAICT the first to effectively use the vertical in combat was Max Immelmann in 1916.

Robert Shaw covers this in his book as well, right down to the foundations.

How many ww2 pilots had read Shaw?

[Igo kyu]

Originally Posted by jameson

How many ww2 pilots had read Shaw?

Obviously none. However, most of them had probably heard of the dicta:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dicta_Boelcke

or read Malan's rules:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolph_...f_Air_Fighting

Shaw's work is a superb compilation of what went before.

[MaxGunz]

Exactly. Shaw uses many historic quotes to begin his explanations. Shaw read them.

Did the Russians ever have the speed and altitude advantage to fly that way against the Germans?

Was it ever their -doctrine-?

Look into their evaluation and use of the P-47's sent to them and tell me they flew as Gabreski taught his pilots.

I have great respect for the Russian pilots but in all my reading have not seen examples of Russians using energy fighting in the GPW. Perhaps towards the end some did. The Germans OTOH kept their traditions alive and didn't have to learn the hard way what killed so many Allied pilots.