War Thunder.... After some time.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Stublerone

Sometimes I feel like some of you guys really do not really understand, what clod intended to do with all the stuff, that is for sure some kind of buggy and pops in.
Next point: Wt has no detailed DM as it cannot have it for now. It is an il2 engined game with even lesser detail than old il2 in terms of computing and simulating anything. It is just a easy version of il2 with eye candy.
Viewing distance is horrible, fm is not ther, even in historical matches. The ripped out essential flight simming characteristics to do an arcade game. Anybody, who is comparing it to clod and its totally other approach, really has no clue, what it was all about. Level of details, single placed and moving objects, which are programmable and not randomly just create immersion, but also additionally try to make sense do not seem to weigh here.
I not say, that any of both games were anywhere near a fine game, but clod had the potential built in. WT do not have options to be a sim and to create a sim comunity with its limited and cut out features.
Than better play hsfx mod on il2, because with wt, we will never come back together in a way, we did it in il2. And that is fact.
But I do not say, that noone should play one of these games play, whatever is fun.

I still have not gotten into CoD enough to really speak on it other than the fact that it runs better now for me than it did.. and WT I could never get into much.. but if it is like WoP graphically it is very nice but the draw distance was a kiler.. You could be tracking a target.. and it would just disappear beyond a certain distance.. Also if I am not mistaken the CEM in WT is less detailed than in IL2... Still it could be fun though.. just not for me.

Originally Posted by Stublerone

But nevertheless there is no need to discuss this game as substitute for a flight sim player. Simple as that! And immersion through visible effects are not, what a sim stands for. And immersion in sims is created by your own and the others, who are flying in clan flight evenings (organized and not just an online server gang bang. I mean real meetings with companies, where 3vs3clans with fighter and bomber specialists are flying against each others. With real organized swarm tacticts, your wingman and all the skills needed to perform such flights! That is, what il2 was all about for most players.
No online gang bang, no offline flyers, etc. Just the organized clans playing high end and building the living part of the comunity.

Originally Posted by Stublerone

Generally you are right with your comment, that they complain graphics so often. I know, that the people of clod are not the same, that are well known in il2. Most guys simply never came to clod, because it do not generate what they all wanted. My known clans all not complain about graphics and also not complain fm. They mainly complain, that cannot fly together in that game in a manner, how you did it in il2. And all we wanted is simple: Polish and advance il2 and its mechanics, regularly fill it with planes and give us a really powerful tool like an advanced SEOW.

Without a tool like that and a powerfull mission builder, clod was dead for most of the il2 guys as they want to play with a story and dynamic theaters. Not only historically correct, but with balanced planesets or with historically correct plabesets, but with resources advantages, etc...

It was dead for all people I know, not because of bad graphics, but with no sense for what a real jagdgeschwader/squadron needs to perform correct flying with immersion.

My immersion is in the things, that are briefed ir in my own mind and never graphically depending.

The engine is powerful, but you cannot fully access them to create a theatre for months. Dynamic campaigns and some sort of SEOW powers are the major backbreaker for my clans and all the people I know. Like ne, they flew perhaps 10-20 hours in clod. And performqnce issues aside, we had no fun to play on an online server, as generally you see perhaps 2-3 squadrobs really playibg it right. The rest is just meeting and shooting. No tactics, no squadron flight techniques, nothing... So: no fun!

Good posts there..

[vranac]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

I still have not gotten into CoD enough to really speak on it other than the fact that it runs better now for me than it did..

Good posts there..

What is good there, stublerone is wrong with that.Not to argue his opinion or his friends.
There is 3th historical campaign running every weekend with 90 pilots in it
and that is similar with SEOW and you can check it at ACG SoW server.
And there is online war with moving front running similar to online wars in old il2.

This kind of stuff kept il2 alive and SQs together.

That is not posible in RoF,WT and it will not be in BoS.

Sorry for the off.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by vranac

What is good there, stublerone is wrong with that.Not to argue his opinion or his friends.
There is 3th historical campaign running every weekend with 90 pilots in it
and that is similar with SEOW and you can check it at ACG SoW server.
And there is online war with moving front running similar to online wars in old il2.

This kind of stuff kept il2 alive and SQs together.

That is not posible in RoF,WT and it will not be in BoS.

Sorry for the off.

No worries.. I meant what he said about needs in an online sim.. like I said I don't know enough about CoD to comment but I can relate to what he said about what makes a good online server......... I don't know how RoF is online either.. and of course BoS isn't out yet...

[Sokol1]

Originally Posted by vranac

Yes CloD.By a chance ATAG was down yesterday and ~ 25 pilots was on the server(Kupikolesa.ru) and everything was working perfectly.Scripting is almost finished.
Someone was doing that for SEOW also.
Commanding the mission is done through the Menu Tab 4 but that can be done differently when you have core scripts ready.

Hi Vranac,

I join this server "Battle of France" another day, but I am "lost" in what to do.

http://i47.tinypic.com/wvdhdz.jpg
https://sites.google.com/site/clodbattle/karty

Is not possible translate this URL with Google:

https://sites.google.com/site/clodba...isanie-proekta

How I get instrucions this?


Sokol1

[vranac]

Hi Sokol1 !

I'm also not shure how to command because first the pilots have to choose commander throgh Tab 4.

I also don't know Russian and it was easier to translate when it was described on sukhoi forum but I think you can copy some text from there and put it in the google translator.

Point is the scripts are working very well with 25 pilots and I just hope they might carry more pilots.

We are offtopic here and I'm sorry for that, maybe we can continue this on the right topic tomorrow, I will find it , podvoxx made this war , very talented guy !

[Stublerone]

Sokol, you are partly right with your new campaigns in clod. I see, that there are interesting things going on there and I am not aware with them so far. It would be great, if we can carry out this campaign system somewhere here.

I am german and I know about the language problems within the com and that all countries, especually the russian comunity, always have something in pipeline, which we not knew about very well. It is like having different internets. I know, that some good ideas still hanging out there at a small group of people and the others do not know.

What I wanted to say in my post: It is not about the possibilities of clod to do such campaign systems. It is about the complexity and that clod was not able to provide such an important dynamic campaign system in its stick version without comunity help! That is, what I claimed ob clod: It is a new and powerful simulator, but it mainly lacks of such important tools. And I think, that this is, because of the general fixing problems. They simply had no time abd no possibility to fill the game with new content and new feature sets. That is, what I wanted to say...

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Fm and Dm are not there at all from what I have flown

Here is a list of planes they officially consider 85-90% "there" and ask to report FM bugs to get it to 99%. Not many yet.

A5M4, A6M2, A6M2-N, A6M3, A6M3 mod 22, A6M5, A6M5 Ko, B-17G, Bf 109 E-3, Bf 109 F-4, Bf 109 F-4/trop, Bf 109 G-10, Bf 109 G-2, Bf 109 G-6, Bf 109 K-4, CR.42 Falco, F4U-1a, F4U-1c, F4U-1d, Fury Mk.I, Fury Mk.II, Fw 190 A-5, Fw 190 D-12, Fw 190 D-13, Fw 190 F-8, G.50 serie 2, G.50 serie 7AS, G4M1, Gladiator Mk II, Gladiator Mk IIF, Gladiator Mk IIS, Hurricane Mk I, Hurricane Mk II, Ki-10-I, Ki-10-I C, Ki-10-II, Ki-10-II C, Ki-200, Ki-43-II, Ki-61-Ia, Ki-61-Ib, Ki-61-Ic, Lancaster Mk III, M.C.200 serie 3, M.C.200 serie 7, M.C.202, Meteor F.3, Meteor F.4 LW, Meteor F.4 SW, Mosquito FB Mk VI, Mustang Mk IA, N1K2-J, N1K2-Ja, Nimrod Mk.I, Nimrod Mk.II, P-26A-33, P-26A-34 M2, P-26B-35, P-38G, P-39K-1, P-39N-0, P-39Q-5, P-40E-1, P-40E-1, P-47D, P-51D-5, Pe-2-1, Pe-2-110, Pe-2-205, Pe-2-21, Pe-2-359, Pe-2-83, Pe-3, Pe-3 early, Pe-3bis, SBD-3, Sea Meteor F.3, Su-2 M-82, Su-2 MV-5, Su-2 TSS-1, Swordfish Mk I, Ta 152 H-1, Typhoon Mk.1a, Typhoon Mk.1b, Typhoon Mk.1b late, XP-38G .

Full FM is ON only in 3rd gamemode (realistic), it is not present in Historic and Arcade Battles intentionally.

I do not consider this game a sim and do not expect good FM and DM from it. It can be used for quick shoot-em-all relaxation when someone is too tired or drunk to bother about CEM. I just want to get my La-7 and Dora ready to be able to do so ))

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by vranac

I also don't know Russian and it was easier to translate when it was described on sukhoi forum but I think you can copy some text from there and put it in the google translator.

You can contact Podvoxx at ATAG forums or at sukhoi.ru. He speaks English. His mission is not ready yet and that is why briefing is not translated yet as it is a subject to change.

Voting for a com is supposed to be very easy AFAIK.

[vranac]

Thanks Ataros.
Yes I know that it is not completed yet, I was following thread on sukhoi, but it seems to me it is very close.I whitnessed attack on the city in Blenheim over the great tank battle, 109s tryin to knock me, and spits and hurries defending me ))
Yes I know choosing com should be easy.

Sokol check your PM.

[Ataros]

Side-selection is available in FRB now. (USA vs. Germany)

Tomorrow is a FRB night at the RU server.