the failure of clod is a failure of US ALL

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

I can't help but wonder what effect if any the cracking of IL2 and subsequently CoD had to do with any of this..

I don't think COD is quite cracked....maybe in time, someone simply found the basics of modifying the game but AFAIK theres not progs to handle mesh editing for COD etc, but to be honest I think the cracking of IL2 and it's subsequent modability is what has sustained sales for so long, I don't know why flight sim developers are so affraid of giving the tools for user created content, just about every other type of game does it.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

I don't think COD is quite cracked....maybe in time, someone simply found the basics of modifying the game but AFAIK theres not progs to handle mesh editing for COD etc, but to be honest I think the cracking of IL2 and it's subsequent modability is what has sustained sales for so long, I don't know why flight sim developers are so affraid of giving the tools for user created content, just about every other type of game does it.

because idiots get into the nuts and bolts, like they did with CFS (near its end) and bugger it up for everybody... laser cannons and zero G 90 degree turns etc

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

because idiots get into the nuts and bolts, like they did with CFS (near its end) and bugger it up for everybody... laser cannons and zero G 90 degree turns etc

Cheats are fairly easy to deal with and are not so common, I think it's a shame we end up missing out on large quantities of quality user made stuff because of a little paranoia over very few 'idiots', and it really does seem to ignore the needs of the ofline simmer, which by all indications seem to be the majority user base

[Wolf_Rider]

Be that as it may, Bongo... it exists, it happens, it buggers it up

[Hood]

They are far more common than you think. The best two non-detectable cheats that I'm aware of in IL2 are a radar instead of the map, showing the positions and altitudes of enemy aircraft (relative to you), and the aiming reticule changing colour to show when you should fire to hit your target.

You'd have to visit the Russian forums to find out how those work. No doubt there are the same for CLOD by now.

Hood

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Hood

They are far more common than you think. The best two non-detectable cheats that I'm aware of in IL2 are a radar instead of the map, showing the positions and altitudes of enemy aircraft (relative to you), and the aiming reticule changing colour to show when you should fire to hit your target.

You'd have to visit the Russian forums to find out how those work. No doubt there are the same for CLOD by now.

Hood

I think cheats like that are unavoidable with or without official tools, so I still think it's an unnecessary paranoia.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by Hood

They are far more common than you think. The best two non-detectable cheats that I'm aware of in IL2 are a radar instead of the map, showing the positions and altitudes of enemy aircraft (relative to you), and the aiming reticule changing colour to show when you should fire to hit your target.

You'd have to visit the Russian forums to find out how those work. No doubt there are the same for CLOD by now.

Hood

Thats really sad. Personally I could'nt get any satisfaction from playing with mods like that. Why not get into the modern jet sims that have that already?

I personally can live with my 0.18 K/D ratio and hold my head up high. I would hate to be someone who couldn't!

But I guess it's the same issue with performance enhancing drugs in sport. The biggest pitty is that people new to the sport may see it as only way to become competitive.

Sad!

[Hood]

Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger

Thats really sad. Personally I could'nt get any satisfaction from playing with mods like that.

Sad!

Absolutely. For some it's win at all costs. From memory the squad that used them in a friendly match against us was 2GvShAD. I've no idea if they're still active - I think maybe they were a group of people from different squads. I'd bet they're up to their old tricks in CLOD.

Hood