IL-2 and Rise Of Flight team up

[FS~Phat]

Hey Guys,

Please stop the 777 bashing!
You may not feel fortunate that someone has decided to take on the future development of the IL2 series but you would probably be in the minority.

In any case I fail to see why you cannot see what is plainly clear to me.

That is... the CLOD engine as a development platform was not a sustainable commercial model for the future of the series no matter how wonderful it might of looked on the surface even with the last patch.

There were clearly many issues with the bug ridden code that was difficult to modify and correct. Luthier even said as much himself regarding the complexity of the code. It was overly complex and expensive in terms of time to develop, which means the commercials dont stack up no matter how devoted programmers or the community may be.

It's not an ideal outcome but it's better than the only other viable alternative which was to completely abandon the IL2 franchise all together.

Now IL2 has a new platform and partnership to benefit from, which includes serveral years of success with the 777 graphics engine and commercial model. (which is constantly being improved and remarkably bug free)
Some of us might not like it but, it-is-what-it-is and we are lucky at this point to be getting anything.

No amount of whining, complaining and making threats will change the course of the IL2 series. You can either get behind the new opportunity and constructively provide input through the new forum or find yourself something else to do. The kind of negativity and abuse thats been endured here will not be tolerated in relation to the new direction of the series, either on these forums or on the new forum. If you dont like that then Im sorry but thats the way it has to be.

[planespotter]

Originally Posted by FS~Phat

Hey Guys,

Please stop the 777 bashing!
You may not feel fortunate that someone has decided to take on the future development of the IL2 series but you would probably be in the minority.

In any case I fail to see why you cannot see what is plainly clear to me.

That is... the CLOD engine as a development platform was not a sustainable commercial model for the future of the series no matter how wonderful it might of looked on the surface even with the last patch.

There were clearly many issues with the bug ridden code that was difficult to modify and correct. Luthier even said as much himself regarding the complexity of the code. It was overly complex and expensive in terms of time to develop, which means the commercials dont stack up no matter how devoted programmers or the community may be.

It's not an ideal outcome but it's better than the only other viable alternative which was to completely abandon the IL2 franchise all together.

Now IL2 has a new platform and partnership to benefit from, which includes serveral years of success with the 777 graphics engine and commercial model. (which is constantly being improved and remarkably bug free)
Some of us might not like it but, it-is-what-it-is and we are lucky at this point to be getting anything.

No amount of whining, complaining and making threats will change the course of the IL2 series. You can either get behind the new opportunity and constructively provide input through the new forum or find yourself something else to do. The kind of negativity and abuse thats been endured here will not be tolerated in relation to the new direction of the series, either on these forums or on the new forum. If you dont like that then Im sorry but thats the way it has to be.

If people want to have debates about the decision to shut down CLoD or the bad things about Rise of flight/777 - kick them out of the forum! Let them go somewhere like SIMHQ where they can abuse each other all they want.

Let us get back to talking about the game!

[taildraggernut]

yeah, riddiculous idea talking about CoD on the CoD forum.

[FS~Phat]

Talking about CLOD is NOT the issue.

The crap that people try to pass off as fact here without actually having any real clue is frankly astonishing. There is absolutely no reason for people to put down the 777 engine or commercial model when in every way it has clearly been the more successful venture and will be a great new technology and partnership with 1C and 777 for the new IL2 series.

What Im saying is... that if people want to sprout bullshit and crap on about things they clearly dont have an understanding of, or are clearly just trying to create conflict, whether discussing CLOD or ROF or BoM or BoS or 1C or 777..... You will be moderated according to the rules.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by FS~Phat

There were clearly many issues with the bug ridden code that was difficult to modify and correct. Luthier even said as much himself regarding the complexity of the code. It was overly complex and expensive in terms of time to develop, which means the commercials dont stack up no matter how devoted programmers or the community may be.

It's not an ideal outcome but it's better than the only other viable alternative which was to completely abandon the IL2 franchise all together.

err, there was a complete rewrite of that "buggy code" (engine) though and to all intents and purposes, the il-2 series died with CoD. Future releases will be a 777 variant, an offshoot, a spin off

[taildraggernut]

Carefull guys, the rules here have changed, it only took a year and the death of CoD but somebody figured out criticism is damaging, animals are always more volatile when wounded.

[FS~Phat]

Not sure what your trying to tell me there Wolf.

Of course I know all that.. and the supposed rewrite still didnt fix it enough. After all, most of the promised features were removed or never materialised.

And just to be clear.. the BoS sequel will be on a slightly different version of the ROF engine. What that means at this stage is unknown.

[robtek]

Fact is, that 777, despite making a wonderful ww1 dogfight sim, didn't manage to fill this world with life or even to allow a adequate number of objects and ai in a online game.
A look at the trenches in RoF is disillusioning at best.
So, how can the expectations be high when the primary moneywell of 777 isn't by far as capable as the buggy CloD engine?
Shurely 777 would improve RoF if they were able to do so, but those faults were there from the beginning and weren't mended, despite laments from the users all the years.

[FS~Phat]

Originally Posted by robtek

Fact is, that 777, despite making a wonderful ww1 dogfight sim, didn't manage to fill this world with life or even to allow a adequate number of objects and ai in a online game.
A look at the trenches in RoF is disillusioning at best.
So, how can the expectations be high when the primary moneywell of 777 isn't by far as capable as the buggy CloD engine?
Shurely 777 would improve RoF if they were able to do so, but those faults were there from the beginning and weren't mended, despite laments from the users all the years.

It may be hard to hear this, but compromises on the level of realism are required to make a simulator commercially viable these days. (unless you go the DCS route?? and who wants to wait 18months to 2 years for each aircraft?)

Unfortunately the community found this out the hard way with CLOD and have been teased by what could have been. But thats the point.. it's very much a "could have been", because even CLOD was not even close to the original promises Oleg made. Graphically it looked good in some aspects, phenomenal in the cockpit and the external aircraft models, but the lighting and landscape never matched the quality of the aircraft. The sounds were ordinary, the damage model was significantly dumbed down from the original release as were the texture qualities all dialed down. There are numerous other problems that have been discussed to death, the bottom line... CLOD spent a year going backwards just to get to a half playable state.

So the facts now are that we have to lower our expectations and thats going to be hard for sure... BUT...

I think even though CLOD promised so much, it lost it's soul from the original IL2. At this point there is no other option but to put the faith into 1c/777 restoring the soul of the IL2 series. For me that means I can live without a lot of what we saw and were promised in CLOD.

I will be happy to see a thriving community with 600 players online with a 1946 IL2 style play brought forward to 2014 with better graphics, landscapes, DM, FM, AI and online MP/Co-op. And I think thats just exactly what 1C/777 will set out to do.

I can live without dynamic weather, animated pilots, cockpit details down to the last scratched rivet, clickable cockpits, blueprint constructed models and damage models.... Just to have the original soul of IL2... which was at the end of it fun.. and despite the 400 hours or so ive spent in CLOD, It doesnt come close to the thousands of hours I spend in IL2 and It had never once given me the same feeling I had playing IL2... and that my friends is why although its sad to let go of the promise of CLOD and BoM... Im all for the rebirth of IL2 with 1C/777. 777 have proven they can make a commercial success with a very appealing graphics and game engine... no its not CloD but I think its for the better for it!

Cheers
Phat!

[taildraggernut]

We've had original IL2 for 10 years, it offers all of that and most of us own it, the content is vast and free, it has the co-op mode everybody is crazy about and it's a DX9 engine, your toughest choice is which mod pack you affiliate with so you can hate everybody else.