1C: Please release the tools to allow the Community to improve CLIFFS OF DOVER

[carguy_]

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Originally Posted by swift

Lol, easy to label anything that is not according to one's religion as "nonsense". Fact is that player numbers decreased rather quickly after mods have been introduced - years before Clod came out. Vanilla+full real servers are useless if there's no or only a handful of players. It is a fact that due to decreased number of players and splitting of community due to the trillion mod packs led to less filled servers. This is even mathematical. I observed it over several months this decline.

The whole situation is a little more complicated. The biggest problems with unauthorised mods popping up is that the IL2 code is not secure against them. It is not made in a way that would let the vanilla version public play without
modded versions of the game flying in the same server. Because of this there is no longer a way to keep a level playing field. And that means nobody can tell if the game is fair or not. That was the actual reason why many ppl quit 1946 multiplayer.

[*Buzzsaw*]

Originally Posted by carguy_

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The whole situation is a little more complicated. The biggest problems with unauthorised mods popping up is that the IL2 code is not secure against them.

Actually not correct. The Check system that Oleg introduced in the IL-2 FORGOTTEN BATTLES and its sequels, if enabled, allowed the server to check the player's install vs the server install, and worked well.

And regarding the tools:

I am not asking for tools to allow modding of existing aircraft flight models, I am asking for tools to allow the creation of new cockpits to go with the existing aircraft and their existing flight models, as well as the creation of new maps, objects etc.

This is what Oleg and Luthier, (Ilya Shevchenko) promised.

As it seems questionable at this point whether we will actually get a sequel, why not release the keys to what tools have been made and let us as a community work on improving the game.

The company can only stand to gain in sales and income. Right now the game is flatlined as far as sales are concerned, they can only improve.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by *Buzzsaw*

Actually not correct. The Check system that Oleg introduced in the IL-2 FORGOTTEN BATTLES and its sequels, if enabled, allowed the server to check the player's install vs the server install, and worked well.

What system is that?

[fruitbat]

Crt=2

[carguy_]

Oh that one. Tested it. Did kick some of the modded players but rarely all of them. CRT is just a story for firm believers. Others got their facts straight and quit.

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by *Buzzsaw*

Actually not correct. The Check system that Oleg introduced in the IL-2 FORGOTTEN BATTLES and its sequels, if enabled, allowed the server to check the player's install vs the server install, and worked well.

And regarding the tools:

I am not asking for tools to allow modding of existing aircraft flight models, I am asking for tools to allow the creation of new cockpits to go with the existing aircraft and their existing flight models, as well as the creation of new maps, objects etc.

This is what Oleg and Luthier, (Ilya Shevchenko) promised.

As it seems questionable at this point whether we will actually get a sequel, why not release the keys to what tools have been made and let us as a community work on improving the game.

The company can only stand to gain in sales and income. Right now the game is flatlined as far as sales are concerned, they can only improve.

There would be much in fighting between moder's, who only view their own work as being superior.

[Redroach]

Hmm, that certainly would be nice if you look at what the community guys are capable of.
If that happens, depends imo on what the future of the Il-2/CoD franchise is supposed to be.
I could imagine a business model like Microprose/Lead Pursuit currently has, with Falcon 4.0/AF. And if I look at the degree of realism and at the variety of functions Falcon got, I'd wish for that path to become reality.

[csThor]

Originally Posted by Redroach

Hmm, that certainly would be nice if you look at what the community guys are capable of.
If that happens, depends imo on what the future of the Il-2/CoD franchise is supposed to be.
I could imagine a business model like Microprose/Lead Pursuit currently has, with Falcon 4.0/AF. And if I look at the degree of realism and at the variety of functions Falcon got, I'd wish for that path to become reality.

Problem from my POV: I just don't see an unbiased group working within this community. All I see is a lot of people making a lot of noise about "performance this, performance that" and all kinds of things that reveals just how one-sided their own thinking is. There are people who think the RAF flew only by flapping their arms as if they were wings as well as there are people who think the Luftwaffe aircraft flew with potatoe schnaps.

And if someone were to make an accurate modification said people would grind the effort to data dust between their constant sniping, at each other and the makers of this mod, because these constant skirmishes in the forum is actually all they care about, it has become the reason they hang out here.

[theOden]

Originally Posted by csThor

Problem from my POV: I just don't see an unbiased group working within this community. All I see is a lot of people making a lot of noise about "performance this, performance that"..

Until the day I see 50% of te posters asking for less performance in their preferred plane I will continue reading those posts with a big fat smile and move on ignoring them.

[addman]

Originally Posted by csThor

Problem from my POV: I just don't see an unbiased group working within this community. All I see is a lot of people making a lot of noise about "performance this, performance that" and all kinds of things that reveals just how one-sided their own thinking is. There are people who think the RAF flew only by flapping their arms as if they were wings as well as there are people who think the Luftwaffe aircraft flew with potatoe schnaps.

And if someone were to make an accurate modification said people would grind the effort to data dust between their constant sniping, at each other and the makers of this mod, because these constant skirmishes in the forum is actually all they care about, it has become the reason they hang out here.

Wow! It's nice to see that universal truths are still being posted in these forums. I couldn't agree more, even if both "sides" got a sim, modelled perfectly down to a microscopic level, both sides would still find something to complain about. I'd say this is one of the main reasons for CloD's failure, developers spending too much time correcting chart fetishists imaginary problems when there are much broader and important things that should've been prioritized. First you make the basics THEN you tweak, not the other way around. There are so many variables required for a perfect FM that this sim doesn't even model in the first place!

I think the game should be handed over to modders BUT under some kind of quality control framework, otherwise it will remain one of the most potential and unfulfilled sim of all times. CloD screams potential, since day one but it needs the right people tapping away on that code and making those 3D models.