1C: Please release the tools to allow the Community to improve CLIFFS OF DOVER

[csThor]

Originally Posted by Redroach

Hmm, that certainly would be nice if you look at what the community guys are capable of.
If that happens, depends imo on what the future of the Il-2/CoD franchise is supposed to be.
I could imagine a business model like Microprose/Lead Pursuit currently has, with Falcon 4.0/AF. And if I look at the degree of realism and at the variety of functions Falcon got, I'd wish for that path to become reality.

Problem from my POV: I just don't see an unbiased group working within this community. All I see is a lot of people making a lot of noise about "performance this, performance that" and all kinds of things that reveals just how one-sided their own thinking is. There are people who think the RAF flew only by flapping their arms as if they were wings as well as there are people who think the Luftwaffe aircraft flew with potatoe schnaps.

And if someone were to make an accurate modification said people would grind the effort to data dust between their constant sniping, at each other and the makers of this mod, because these constant skirmishes in the forum is actually all they care about, it has become the reason they hang out here.

[theOden]

Originally Posted by csThor

Problem from my POV: I just don't see an unbiased group working within this community. All I see is a lot of people making a lot of noise about "performance this, performance that"..

Until the day I see 50% of te posters asking for less performance in their preferred plane I will continue reading those posts with a big fat smile and move on ignoring them.

[addman]

Originally Posted by csThor

Problem from my POV: I just don't see an unbiased group working within this community. All I see is a lot of people making a lot of noise about "performance this, performance that" and all kinds of things that reveals just how one-sided their own thinking is. There are people who think the RAF flew only by flapping their arms as if they were wings as well as there are people who think the Luftwaffe aircraft flew with potatoe schnaps.

And if someone were to make an accurate modification said people would grind the effort to data dust between their constant sniping, at each other and the makers of this mod, because these constant skirmishes in the forum is actually all they care about, it has become the reason they hang out here.

Wow! It's nice to see that universal truths are still being posted in these forums. I couldn't agree more, even if both "sides" got a sim, modelled perfectly down to a microscopic level, both sides would still find something to complain about. I'd say this is one of the main reasons for CloD's failure, developers spending too much time correcting chart fetishists imaginary problems when there are much broader and important things that should've been prioritized. First you make the basics THEN you tweak, not the other way around. There are so many variables required for a perfect FM that this sim doesn't even model in the first place!

I think the game should be handed over to modders BUT under some kind of quality control framework, otherwise it will remain one of the most potential and unfulfilled sim of all times. CloD screams potential, since day one but it needs the right people tapping away on that code and making those 3D models.

[raaaid]

ill reprhase your petition:

1c plz give one free dollar to each of your customers or what its the same give away your work

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by addman

Wow! It's nice to see that universal truths are still being posted in these forums. I couldn't agree more, even if both "sides" got a sim, modelled perfectly down to a microscopic level, both sides would still find something to complain about. I'd say this is one of the main reasons for CloD's failure, developers spending too much time correcting chart fetishists imaginary problems when there are much broader and important things that should've been prioritized. First you make the basics THEN you tweak, not the other way around. There are so many variables required for a perfect FM that this sim doesn't even model in the first place!

I think the game should be handed over to modders BUT under some kind of quality control framework, otherwise it will remain one of the most potential and unfulfilled sim of all times. CloD screams potential, since day one but it needs the right people tapping away on that code and making those 3D models.

I agree with your first paragraph addman, so much dev time was wasted on things that could have been placed on the back burner.

[Redroach]

Originally Posted by csThor

Problem from my POV: I just don't see an unbiased group working within this community. All I see is a lot of people making a lot of noise about "performance this, performance that" and all kinds of things that reveals just how one-sided their own thinking is. There are people who think the RAF flew only by flapping their arms as if they were wings as well as there are people who think the Luftwaffe aircraft flew with potatoe schnaps.

And if someone were to make an accurate modification said people would grind the effort to data dust between their constant sniping, at each other and the makers of this mod, because these constant skirmishes in the forum is actually all they care about, it has become the reason they hang out here.

Ah, some guys at ATAG show pretty good work within the bounds of what's possible now already.
And, about biasedness: Oh, these guys would be awesome to deal with! (from my pov, of course, I'm a little cynic there ) This would be sooo much fun! I've got great Ideas already - like giving the 109ers super performance for one day, but replacing the engine sounds with a donke howl and the cannon sounds with cat's meows! Awesome!
I just really don't know if I want to dive into the abyss of MG's code