Trying to play allowing losses is horrible

[Razorflame]

LOL

It's mostly the NO-lossers that are complaining lol

your argument is really laughing my ass off hahah

it's because the NO lossers that the game got more challenging to begin with so show some respect

[Fatt_Shade]

@dbgager

You no loss people are what ruined the game to begin with. If you guys where not insisting that you cannot play with out losses...the game could be made harder.

You my friend just went full retard. No loss impossible game is hardest way to play, and you say without it game could get harder. Pls elaborate your thought train, because you make no sense at all.
How can something be improved without testing it`s limits, and that is no loss plays are about testing what crazy things you can do. Which in other hand caused devs to make WotN harder in gameplay with so many limitations and battles that you have to lose units in.

[Xargon]

Did the devs say that they are reacting to no-loss people? Why does everyone assume they care about it at all? They probably got some feedback about general perception of difficulty (presumably from the Russian forum) and reacted to that, is the no-loss crowd very vocal there?

Personally, I find both sides annoying: the people who insist that you have to be able to do a no-loss run and the people who like to tell the no-loss people that their efforts are stupid.

[ckdamascus]

Originally Posted by Xargon

Did the devs say that they are reacting to no-loss people? Why does everyone assume they care about it at all? They probably got some feedback about general perception of difficulty (presumably from the Russian forum) and reacted to that, is the no-loss crowd very vocal there?

Personally, I find both sides annoying: the people who insist that you have to be able to do a no-loss run and the people who like to tell the no-loss people that their efforts are stupid.

[shrugs] I'm a pragmatist. I only did no loss because it was inherently necessary in Armored Princess.

It isn't quite that necessary now though but I still prefer doing it, but I'm not going to mind THAT much if I lose a few troops to bosses.

[tiberiu]

[QUOTE=ckdamascus;481801][shrugs] I'm a pragmatist. I only did no loss because it was inherently necessary in Armored Princess.



Was it "necessary"? I don't really remember it so. I have the game installed and it surely isn't necessary to lose no units. You really don't even need the medal strategist for some extra leadership, in AP there's no Boss Spider that must be defeated early so.... definetly NOT necessary, which would imply that that is the only way. Maybe you need to use better dragon abilities and cast better spells?

[ckdamascus]

[QUOTE=tiberiu;481866]

Originally Posted by ckdamascus

[shrugs] I'm a pragmatist. I only did no loss because it was inherently necessary in Armored Princess.



Was it "necessary"? I don't really remember it so. I have the game installed and it surely isn't necessary to lose no units. You really don't even need the medal strategist for some extra leadership, in AP there's no Boss Spider that must be defeated early so.... definetly NOT necessary, which would imply that that is the only way. Maybe you need to use better dragon abilities and cast better spells?

Haha, clearly I needed to learn how to play better to learn how to lose units and survive!

Actually, I didn't play it on loss mode in Impossible.

I suppose in hindsight, I could have done fine with allowing some losses across boss fights (like losing 50 archers in the final battle against baal).

I think early on it is important for the leadership medals. If you can somehow beat a Verona guardian with little leadership without using a tedious/boring strategy, I'd love to see a video of that.

Later on, when you have a lot more gold, the right skills for a solid strategy, and right units, you definitely have more leeway in allowing losses.

[Razorflame]

Originally Posted by Xargon

Did the devs say that they are reacting to no-loss people? Why does everyone assume they care about it at all? They probably got some feedback about general perception of difficulty (presumably from the Russian forum) and reacted to that, is the no-loss crowd very vocal there?

Personally, I find both sides annoying: the people who insist that you have to be able to do a no-loss run and the people who like to tell the no-loss people that their efforts are stupid.

I bet you do watch the forums all the time and peak in on the information that experts post here to HELP you make your game easier

for without the walktroughs and stuff posted here by certain people
I bet you wouldn't even think of a no-loss
The no loss concept came from people bragging on the forums since who would be the best

hence forth the no loss fastest run was born on TL and later in AP
Those people made things interesting to see how fast or how easy u could finish the game
i bet half the things you know, you wouldn't even find out on yourself it because other people done it already and posted it here

so no i think u are certainly whining about the people who say no loss is stupid
because the no loss people only post information or go in with people who say it;s stupid or how it can be done

[Xargon]

Originally Posted by Razorflame

I bet you do watch the forums all the time and peak in on the information that experts post here to HELP you make your game easier

for without the walktroughs and stuff posted here by certain people
I bet you wouldn't even think of a no-loss
The no loss concept came from people bragging on the forums since who would be the best

hence forth the no loss fastest run was born on TL and later in AP
Those people made things interesting to see how fast or how easy u could finish the game
i bet half the things you know, you wouldn't even find out on yourself it because other people done it already and posted it here

so no i think u are certainly whining about the people who say no loss is stupid
because the no loss people only post information or go in with people who say it;s stupid or how it can be done

You are making a whole lot of assumptions. Most of the information I got from the forums that I actually used in the game is info about quests and bugs (apart from that, some technical questions about burning etc). The gameplay is not that hard to figure out. I still don't care about no loss, but have virtually no losses in the game anyway - if it's possible without much effort, why not. I would gladly take your bet about half the things I know. And I don't see me whining about one side or the other.
This is the last time I'll reply to anything written in a tone like yours.

[Razorflame]

Originally Posted by Xargon

You are making a whole lot of assumptions. Most of the information I got from the forums that I actually used in the game is info about quests and bugs (apart from that, some technical questions about burning etc). The gameplay is not that hard to figure out. I still don't care about no loss, but have virtually no losses in the game anyway - if it's possible without much effort, why not. I would gladly take your bet about half the things I know. And I don't see me whining about one side or the other.
This is the last time I'll reply to anything written in a tone like yours.

Yes i took alot of assumptions but that because i was here from the start(TL) with inventing stuff out

I saw KB growing up till wotn

and my tone wasn't being offensive to u
but you were the one that said it's annoying not me(e.a your previous post)

personally i don't care wether you play no loss or not but if u need help i will be there that's all

and as for KB being easy
Thank the people that helped growning KB and those who don't know who(i mean from start)

check out
impy/loreanangelicus/fatt_shade/dgdobrev/unicornxp/Zechnophone and possibly some others i forget

and this part is mainly for you tiberius
you say thigs are easy but i'm quite sure u read all out tips of getting no losses and how to do things as fast as possible
The people i mentioned above made things alot easier because they did some crazy stuff or knew the fastest route to take

and if u say KB:AP was easy

try some of impy's challenges
and i don't see you doing that
Beat KB:AP with 14 fights show me that and I will believe everything is easy for you

[tiberiu]

Originally Posted by Razorflame

Yes i took alot of assumptions but that because i was here from the start(TL) with inventing stuff out

Don't kid yourself you didn't invent anything. Because there is nothing that can be invented in a KB game. You can only use what the game has to offer to you. You can discover useful thing, but never invent. Electricity wasn't invented it was discovered. Electricity exists in nature without anybody inventing it just like casting Plague on Black Dragons isn't inventing strategy for casting spells on a unit that should be in fact immune to spells. I was the first to point out on the forums (with old account not this) to cast Plague on Black Dragons, that makes me big inventor? When you kill 1000 bears with 1 royal snake you didn't invent nothing. You just exploited poorly designed game mechanichs thats all.

and this part is mainly for you tiberius
you say thigs are easy but i'm quite sure u read all out tips of getting no losses and how to do things as fast as possible

Lol, my son. Arguments such as "i'm quite sure" do not interest me. They are simple fallacies that don't have any place in a debate. I don't care about what you are sure or not. You think yourself what you want and live in your fantasy world where you're the only one who knows how to rape KB games to death. No, in fact I was very little active on the forums until recently because I don't need walkthroughs to play easy games.

The people i mentioned above made things alot easier because they did some crazy stuff or knew the fastest route to take

They did nothing special if you ask me. I raped the game without help from anybody. I am just mature enough not to brag all the time on the internet like you do. Stop your fallacies please.

and if u say KB:AP was easy
try some of impy's challenges
and i don't see you doing that
Beat KB:AP with 14 fights show me that and I will believe everything is easy for you

This is preposterous. Crappy exploits do not interest me. Impy's challanges were not fun at all to do and made absolutely no sense. I only go for challanges that are not based on silly exploits/cheats/mods and that do not involve reloading 1698 times until you finally kite that Map for Verona.

No, my son. I'll give you a challange. Actually play hardcore Diablo 2 style any challange that you think is hard. This means without reload. Reloading is embarassingly noobish I won't go into details. All your "fantastic" accomplishments were done with Savescumming and by using exploits or cheats (like savescanner). So you havent actually played the game as it's intended.