The so called "no-loss" concept (whole game) is wrong and stupid.

[Colbert30]

Why is it that some people find the way other people like to play their games so aggraviating, as to call it stupid? If you are having fun with the game, just let others do what they want.

That said, I will agree that there should be no complaining that a very tough challenge is very... tough. One that is not part of the challenges (achievements) designed for the game, to boot.

[Karlos]

Originally Posted by Colbert30

Why is it that some people find the way other people like to play their games so aggraviating, as to call it stupid? If you are having fun with the game, just let others do what they want.

That said, I will agree that there should be no complaining that a very tough challenge is very... tough. One that is not part of the challenges (achievements) designed for the game, to boot.

Cannot agree more, on both points.

I think attempting a no loss playthrough makes for en excruciatingly tedious game but if ppl like it why not. I even respect that on some level.

But dissing the game design just because the no loss playtrough on Impossible diff cannot be done is like complaining Bethesda doesn't "allow" you to finish Skyrim without taking a single point od dmg. A bit daft-headed I recon.

[Razorflame]

u know what people are just jealous they can't beat something on impossible where others can

the game is fine some people stated that ahriman was impossible to do on impossible

well gues what
people already found a way to kill him without losses

the next one is the necromancer also no big deal


u know what this games also has a LUCK factor in it
sometimes u just need to get lucky to get that extra soothsayer/spell/no damage spell caused by enemy hero


all of this means retry retry if you don't have the patience to do that sure i understand why u want a loss game. Because simply you won't be able to hide out the fact that there are people better than u in KB they have found ways to overcome even the most difficult of challenges!

You sir have no respect for the people that found those ways

and as for u saying a war always has casualties that is just a lie

i will give u one simple example
i america would nuke a bomb on any country u want
and declare 5 minutes before impact of the nuke it's WAR


well say goodbye to that country

at least if it's a small on

so america wouldn't have any losses

[tiberiu]

Originally Posted by Razorflame

u know what people are just jealous they can't beat something on impossible where others can

the game is fine some people stated that ahriman was impossible to do on impossible

well gues what
people already found a way to kill him without losses

the next one is the necromancer also no big deal


u know what this games also has a LUCK factor in it
sometimes u just need to get lucky to get that extra soothsayer/spell/no damage spell caused by enemy hero


all of this means retry retry if you don't have the patience to do that sure i understand why u want a loss game. Because simply you won't be able to hide out the fact that there are people better than u in KB they have found ways to overcome even the most difficult of challenges!

You sir have no respect for the people that found those ways

and as for u saying a war always has casualties that is just a lie

i will give u one simple example
i america would nuke a bomb on any country u want
and declare 5 minutes before impact of the nuke it's WAR


well say goodbye to that country

at least if it's a small on

so america wouldn't have any losses

Lol man, you're funny. Thanks for your well-thought and useful contribution. Yes, I admit, I'm very jealous on people who reload 50 times to be able to beat an invincible monster. Not.

I love how you assess my game. I'm a chessmaster and warcraft lvl 40 player, heroes 3,4,5 pro. You want 1v1 in any of these games? Tell me how noob and jealous I am after, not before.

Don't compare real life with a GAME, lol. KB is not meant to be realistic game.

"no respect for people who found those ways".

Dude, "found those ways" are you kidding me? What is there to find? You just cast Gift or Phantom on Inquisitors. And buy a few droids. And you can already quit the game because you WON. You are talking like abuzing exploits like hell is brain science. It's not.

Yes, I have no respect for NOOBS, because what Noobs do also affects the way games are done. And I like to play well-done games, not games done in such a manner that Noobs will enjoy.

[CharmedonWB]

I play no loss without ever cracking open the spellbook.

[Razorflame]

Originally Posted by tiberiu

Lol man, you're funny. Thanks for your well-thought and useful contribution. Yes, I admit, I'm very jealous on people who reload 50 times to be able to beat an invincible monster. Not.

I love how you assess my game. I'm a chessmaster and warcraft lvl 40 player, heroes 3,4,5 pro. You want 1v1 in any of these games? Tell me how noob and jealous I am after, not before.

Don't compare real life with a GAME, lol. KB is not meant to be realistic game.

"no respect for people who found those ways".

Dude, "found those ways" are you kidding me? What is there to find? You just cast Gift or Phantom on Inquisitors. And buy a few droids. And you can already quit the game because you WON. You are talking like abuzing exploits like hell is brain science. It's not.

Yes, I have no respect for NOOBS, because what Noobs do also affects the way games are done. And I like to play well-done games, not games done in such a manner that Noobs will enjoy.

sure will play homm vs u i play 3-4-5
and i never said u were noob

but a funny thing u note is that u say droids+inqisitor is free loss

what about the other ways people have found?

i find it quite amusing for u to say that u just name 1 STRAT lol

what about the people who beat the game with just 1 STACK?
or an undead army with no loss?
dragon army? level 5 army?
orc army?

There are alot of strats that involve no losses
you just name 1


because there is a big fact to KB
THERE IS NOT 1 SINGLE unit combination that is perfect! for ending the game

you can finish the game no losses with different combinations
there are plenty of options just for u to being find out

[tiberiu]

Originally Posted by Razorflame

what about the people who beat the game with just 1 STACK?
or an undead army with no loss?
dragon army? level 5 army?
orc army?

There are alot of strats that involve no losses
you just name 1

I name 1 because it is the most common and the most overpowered of all. You keep talking about how "people have found" good strategies while missing my point. To the end of the game, you can use only 1 stack of peasants and do no loss on invincible enemies. That means peasants are good units? Nope it means some spells are absurdly overpowerd.

Forget 1 Stack, I'm pretty sure the game (excepting Boss fights maybe) can be done using single units. Of course there are many exploits. Like abusing Troll's regeneration at night. You can finish the whole game with a troll. Or with a Black Dragon. And this is a big turnoff for anybody who wants to play a challanging game. There simply isnt any difficulty to it.

Anybody can play the game as they like. But it's my right to point out that some thing are downright wrong. Thats what forums are for, everybody says what they think about a particular issue. My issue is that the game is too easy because of the said exploits.

Possible fixes would be to completly remove from the game the spells and abilities that allow such absurdities, and to better balance the creatures.

So I can name you not 1 but many such "strategies", better called cheap exploits. The most effective one in AP/CW is sending in Ghosts with exp. Stone Skin on them in the enemy and letting them go out of control. The game will consider them temporary enemies and as a result, you win lots of bonus XP for Pet Dragon. This might work in wotn too.

[Razorflame]

eh u call the troll a overpowered absurdity? but that has nothing do to with spells

then u name a ghost which can go out of control so the ghost is absurd too?

spells make the game easier or at least doable in some cases

try using boss fights without spells or rage
gl with that

and as a side note of all this

you don't have to use those spells
or go for a no loss

[Kel]

Originally Posted by tiberiu

Anybody can play the game as they like. But it's my right to point out that some thing are downright wrong. Thats what forums are for, everybody says what they think about a particular issue. My issue is that the game is too easy because of the said exploits.

Simply don't use this "exploits". The game is single player only, so unit balance and spell balance does not matter at all. If someone has fun beating hagni with level 15 in 200 turns, so be it, who cares?

I like the many options in KB and reducing them wouldn't make the game necessarily harder. Sure, you could remove all abilities that make no loss even possible, but would the game then be harder? Is Heroes of Might and Magic a challenging game - i don't think so.

[Zechnophobe]

Originally Posted by tiberiu

Lol man, you're funny. Thanks for your well-thought and useful contribution. Yes, I admit, I'm very jealous on people who reload 50 times to be able to beat an invincible monster. Not.

Actually, in KBAP at least, no loss was more an issue of knowledge. I did a few different no losses runs with the different classes, and rarely found myself re-loading. In fact, I was very against the idea of abusing the RNG like that. And for those few fights that did require a half dozen tries, it was all the more rewarding in the end, just like any challenge.

I love how you assess my game. I'm a chessmaster and warcraft lvl 40 player, heroes 3,4,5 pro. You want 1v1 in any of these games? Tell me how noob and jealous I am after, not before.

"1v1 me bro, 1v1 me!"

This is such an incredibly immature thing to say I don't even know how to respond. You have ego, and think you are great... how does that give you the ability of telling people what challenges they should and should not aspire to?

Don't compare real life with a GAME, lol. KB is not meant to be realistic game.

"no respect for people who found those ways".

Dude, "found those ways" are you kidding me? What is there to find? You just cast Gift or Phantom on Inquisitors. And buy a few droids. And you can already quit the game because you WON. You are talking like abuzing exploits like hell is brain science. It's not.

Once again, I think you are completely misunderstanding the point. I've only done one run with Droids, and that was a minimum time no-loss (as in, 7 or 8 days, without losses). That one is more like a tool-assisted run heh. Most runs involve simply perfect strategy and use of position blockers, control effects, and a bit of resurrection, to achieve. Infinite res engines are indeed quite boring, and I would generally recommend against them if you are looking for a good time.

Yes, I have no respect for NOOBS, because what Noobs do also affects the way games are done. And I like to play well-done games, not games done in such a manner that Noobs will enjoy.

Well good news! You can play this game, and feel how badass you are, and since it isn't multiplayer, no one will care how you play it! You can stew about how much you hate noobs, and you can tell your favorite Valkyrie girlfriend all about it. It's the great joy of the SP experience.