The so called "no-loss" concept (whole game) is wrong and stupid.

[Pip-Boy]

Guys I don't know why you're still answering to the posts of tiberiu, I just kept reading until I couldn't bear myself to keep reading "son", I won't start a discussion with him/her probably because it would be a waste of both of our times and because nothing that we write is going to change his/her mind.What else can you expect from someone who says that hates noobs and that pro-players like him/her are the ones who make games evolve? Other than that I suggest that some moderator closes this thread.

[Saridu]

I think the thread is still open because a lot of people have opinions regarding the topic.

Tiberiu has been already warned about his offensive and belittling remarks but apparently has taken no heed of Elwin's warning.

Now back to the subject, I have no problem with how anybody else plays the game, its a single player game you can do whatever you want! Some open up the console as soon a the game loads, some spend hours nay days striving for no loss, some love the challenge of hard others prefer easy, that's fine.

I am a little annoyed that the game appears to have been designed to thwart "no loss" as much as possible, its like the devs opened the forums saw all the no loss threads and thought zomg! That's what everybody plays, lets make it as painful as possible! Warrior enemy hero? Who cares, give him poison skull, flame arrow and spectral sword just to kill a low hp unit and force the "no loss" player to reload.

Lets make the first two islands as linear as possible and force navigation scrolls behind quest gates so players can't go exploring and return with a big army. So we gave them the flying horse, that will keep them happy, it doesn't really mean much because they can't get any better units because we populated the islands with as much low hp crap as we can!

That's my gripe, no loss playing style seems to have affected game design. Now I think the other mechanics are really good, classes are better balanced, they tried to capture the nordic setting units are interesting. My problem is the way they are presented.

[blacklegionary]

Originally Posted by Saridu

I think the thread is still open because a lot of people have opinions regarding the topic.

Tiberiu has been already warned about his offensive and belittling remarks but apparently has taken no heed of Elwin's warning.

Now back to the subject, I have no problem with how anybody else plays the game, its a single player game you can do whatever you want! Some open up the console as soon a the game loads, some spend hours nay days striving for no loss, some love the challenge of hard others prefer easy, that's fine.

I am a little annoyed that the game appears to have been designed to thwart "no loss" as much as possible, its like the devs opened the forums saw all the no loss threads and thought zomg! That's what everybody plays, lets make it as painful as possible! Warrior enemy hero? Who cares, give him poison skull, flame arrow and spectral sword just to kill a low hp unit and force the "no loss" player to reload.

Lets make the first two islands as linear as possible and force navigation scrolls behind quest gates so players can't go exploring and return with a big army. So we gave them the flying horse, that will keep them happy, it doesn't really mean much because they can't get any better units because we populated the islands with as much low hp crap as we can!

That's my gripe, no loss playing style seems to have affected game design. Now I think the other mechanics are really good, classes are better balanced, they tried to capture the nordic setting units are interesting. My problem is the way they are presented.

Yeah, my opinion is the same. I don't care if ppl play no loss or not but it's a bad thing if it makes the game become boring.

Compare to previous game, WOTN have much better class balance, and all race get exciting new abilities. The game could be much more fun if the unit distribution is better. In AP we can already see they tried to make "no loss" harder but it's nowhere nearly as bad.

I have finished one playthrough and in the entire game I dont have enough Warrior Maiden to fill my Warrior leadership (I dont care much about other level 4 troop except Viking and Human, but they seem to be very low in number, too). Luckily we will still get a crapload of human troop (Knight, Horseman, Paladin, ArchMage, Rune mage) and they will make up a huge part of your army like the previous game KB:AP despite this game has a Viking theme. Also at late game you will still see a crapload of gray wolf, Hyena, Slinger and all other type of low HP troops. Those with high hp avaiable relatively few in number and sometimes not enough to fill your leadership even if you don't lose any.

Also those Rage skills that are useful at late game avaiable very late, making it's very hard to level them up.

[themaster]

Originally Posted by Saridu

I am a little annoyed that the game appears to have been designed to thwart "no loss" as much as possible, its like the devs opened the forums saw all the no loss threads and thought zomg! That's what everybody plays, lets make it as painful as possible! Warrior enemy hero? Who cares, give him poison skull, flame arrow and spectral sword just to kill a low hp unit and force the "no loss" player to reload.

Lets make the first two islands as linear as possible and force navigation scrolls behind quest gates so players can't go exploring and return with a big army. So we gave them the flying horse, that will keep them happy, it doesn't really mean much because they can't get any better units because we populated the islands with as much low hp crap as we can!

Yah, that's exactly why I like the game..

And flying horse early is awesome.. I mean for me.. it stops the whole "evade" units you can't fight thing.. aka you don't get a feel for the ground cause you can fly.. but have to say.. I like it so far..

[themaster]

Originally Posted by blacklegionary

Yeah, my opinion is the same. I don't care if ppl play no loss or not but it's a bad thing if it makes the game become boring.

Compare to previous game, WOTN have much better class balance, and all race get exciting new abilities. The game could be much more fun if the unit distribution is better. In AP we can already see they tried to make "no loss" harder but it's nowhere nearly as bad.

I have finished one playthrough and in the entire game I dont have enough Warrior Maiden to fill my Warrior leadership (I dont care much about other level 4 troop except Viking and Human, but they seem to be very low in number, too). Luckily we will still get a crapload of human troop (Knight, Horseman, Paladin, ArchMage, Rune mage) and they will make up a huge part of your army like the previous game KB:AP despite this game has a Viking theme. Also at late game you will still see a crapload of gray wolf, Hyena, Slinger and all other type of low HP troops. Those with high hp avaiable relatively few in number and sometimes not enough to fill your leadership even if you don't lose any.

Also those Rage skills that are useful at late game avaiable very late, making it's very hard to level them up.

If that's the case..? gotta say.. design is awesome.. least I like it

[tiberiu]

Originally Posted by Pip-Boy

Guys I don't know why you're still answering to the posts of tiberiu,

I don't know why YOU took the time, and freely chose to answer to the topic I created. You want this thread closed? Whatever dude, I was just expressing my opinion. I believe in freedom of speech and opinion and dispise censorship.
I offered arguments and received massive flames in return.
"Son" is not an insult, lol. We the elderly sometimes address the youth this way, in a friendly manner. It is not mean to demean or to disconsider somebody.

If you don't like my posts, go set me on your ignore list. I have discovered my ignore list and started to add people there. It's a very useful tool, a powerful weapon that simple users can use to defend from evil people.

[Fatt_Shade]

@tiberiu
Thx for proving me and everyone else here right :
1) all here see that you insulted no loss players, but you still claim you didnt. WRONG
2)

I offered arguments and received massive flames in return.

You didnt offer arguments, only your observations, but without any suggestion how to fix `problem` as you call no loss play.
3)

If you don't like my posts, go set me on your ignore list. I have discovered my ignore list and started to add people there. It's a very useful tool, a powerful weapon that simple users can use to defend from evil people.

You want freedom of speech, but deny other players same right, yea this is so american. Any1 not agreeing with you is anarchist and attacking your freedoms, and any1 who agrees with you `here is some candy go play in sandbox and let grownups talk`.
90% posts here about everyones thought on no loss play, and you call them all `evil people`, and add to ignore list. That`s just pathetic.
4) And great way to wuss out, you call me liar and never answer where you got that idea or any proof for it. Then `ill ignore you, stop interacting with me` , what a load of crap. Come on give some fact for your accusations.
It`s not same as playing chessmaster, here your verbal opponents have thoughts of their own and it seems this unhinged your plan of trolling whole forum without getting response from other users.

And as for your wish to never interact with you again dont worry i wont because you have absolutely nothing to contribute to this game, or anything else for that matter.

[Razorflame]

amen to that fatt_shade

kinda funny though

u, me, technophobia and IIRC ggdrobrev all tried

but all failed to get him to reason

I remember u guys from the KB:Ap forum and TL where we challenged to do it fastest way to beat the game

i only mis loreanangelicus