Check that all your guns on the Brit fighters are actually firing bullets

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by GF_Mastiff

yes same problem, I was able to get all my guns Ammo Load-outs to work under the single missions, with the adjustments made in FMB. But that's the only place it will work.


see this post about it..

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=35262

OK, I tried Mastiff's suggestion to adjust loadouts in FMB and it seems to work ie. the load outs carry over to online (ATAG Server #1).

Per his suggestion, I opened FMB, made a simple "mission", in this case just a Spitfire Mark 1a 100 octane over the English Channel. In Properties I designated it as the "player" aircraft, then still in Properties I clicked on the Load out button to bring up the load out menu for all 8 guns.

For testing purposes I chose different colour tracers for each of the 8 guns, along with the usual AP, deWilde, Ball VII, etc. Did a "save as", giving it a unique file name "Snappers brew" for quick identification. Hit OK. Did a quick test over the water; all guns were spewing out their tracers into the water. There is no provision to adjust horizontal/vertical convergence in FMB that I could see -- hitting Options/Plane/loadout when playing the mission within FMB doesn't allow you to do it.

Exited FMB, logged onto the ATAG Server. At Gravesend selected the Spitfire Mark 1a 100 octane and low and behold: Snappers brew was available as a loadout for this aircraft. A quick check verified the loadouts were exactly as I had assigned them in FMB. I could also now adjust convergences. I chose a wide dispersion from 1000 yards (outboard guns) down to 150 yards (inboard guns). No one was around , so I did a quick check sitting on the field -- easy to see all eight guns throwing their multi coloured strings of tracer. Presumably the other loads in with them (AP, deWilde, ball #VII) were also going out. Adjusted the convergence down to a more reasonable dispersion and went hunting. Shot down a 109, then got shot down myself in a suicide run over Occupied Manston airfield.

What a pain. But it seems to work. Lots better than shooting 2 guns out of 8, with the rest being blanks!

[banned]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

OK, I tried Mastiff's suggestion to adjust loadouts in FMB and it seems to work ie. the load outs carry over to online (ATAG Server #1).

Per his suggestion, I opened FMB, made a simple "mission", in this case just a Spitfire Mark 1a 100 octane over the English Channel. In Properties I designated it as the "player" aircraft, then still in Properties I clicked on the Load out button to bring up the load out menu for all 8 guns.

For testing purposes I chose different colour tracers for each of the 8 guns, along with the usual AP, deWilde, Ball VII, etc. Did a "save as", giving it a unique file name "Snappers brew" for quick identification. Hit OK. Did a quick test over the water; all guns were spewing out their tracers into the water. There is no provision to adjust horizontal/vertical convergence in FMB that I could see -- hitting Options/Plane/loadout when playing the mission within FMB doesn't allow you to do it.

Exited FMB, logged onto the ATAG Server. At Gravesend selected the Spitfire Mark 1a 100 octane and low and behold: Snappers brew was available as a loadout for this aircraft. A quick check verified the loadouts were exactly as I had assigned them in FMB. I could also now adjust convergences. I chose a wide dispersion from 1000 yards (outboard guns) down to 150 yards (inboard guns). No one was around , so I did a quick check sitting on the field -- easy to see all eight guns throwing their multi coloured strings of tracer. Presumably the other loads in with them (AP, deWilde, ball #VII) were also going out. Adjusted the convergence down to a more reasonable dispersion and went hunting. Shot down a 109, then got shot down myself in a suicide run over Occupied Manston airfield.

What a pain. But it seems to work. Lots better than shooting 2 guns out of 8, with the rest being blanks!

Just to confirm mate, the damage you do with the 8 is more than the 2?

Just wondering if all this time I've been doing one quarter of the damage than what I should have been doing, or the game give the same either way?

Cheers

[MadTommy]

This is one nasty bug.

EDIT:

I just tested two planes and it appears both were only using outer most guns.. but not 100% sure.

What is the best method to resolve this? Bit confused.

[Slipstream2012]

I remember reading about this problem awhile back, its also probably what makes people wonder if ammo is modeled correctly, if you have guns 4 & 5 with AP, and the rest with De Wilde, but only 4 & 5 are firing, figures why some folks are not seeing planes burst into flames. Its probably why some weeks I do well with kills, then they drop until I start tweaking ammo belts again.

Sometimes I look at this sim and think wow, other times, its like
Backward convergences, Guns not firing, blah blah blah.
Best part is, as much as this community gets under the skin sometimes, if it wasn't for the people here picking the game to shreds, half of these problems would have been left un-noticed.

Maddox Games really need to pull their socks up for BoM.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by MadTommy

This is one nasty bug.

EDIT:

I just tested two planes and it appears both were only using outer most guns.. but not 100% sure.

What is the best method to resolve this? Bit confused.

Adjust in FMB ao after go online. Works nice here! Thanks guys!

[MadTommy]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

Adjust in FMB ao after go online. Works nice here! Thanks guys!

Thanks but when you say 'adjust'.. err what do you mean. I have the loadout set up as i want, so do i just delete them and redo them in FMB (not that i even know how to do that) and then they will work in MP.

I've never used the FMB, so do i just add one of every plane and give them a loadout that i want and save the mission? And then everything will work?

It just sounds a bit unlikely. I just want to make sure i understand what i need to do before i waste an hour figuring out how to do this and probably do it wrong anyway!

EDIT: maybe someone who has done this can post their user.ini file and i can just use that!

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by MadTommy

Thanks but when you say 'adjust'.. err what do you mean. I have the loadout set up as i want, so do i just delete them and redo them in FMB (not that i even know how to do that) and then they will work in MP.

I've never used the FMB, so do i just add one of every plane and give them a loadout that i want and save the mission? And then everything will work?

It just sounds a bit unlikely. I just want to make sure i understand what i need to do before i waste an hour figuring out how to do this and probably do it wrong anyway!

EDIT: maybe someone who has done this can post their user.ini file and i can just use that!

Go to FMB.

Create a Spitfire, as example.

Set this aircraft as player controled.

Set the ammo belts you want, save.

Run the mission.

After you exit this mission, you'll have this "default" ammo belts loaded in your aircraft in MP. You just need to adjust convergence and fuel.

Works here!

[MadTommy]

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

Go to FMB.

Create a Spitfire, as example.

Set this aircraft as player controled.

Set the ammo belts you want, save.

Run the mission.

After you exit this mission, you'll have this "default" ammo belts loaded in your aircraft in MP. You just need to adjust convergence and fuel.

Works here!

Ok thanks for the explanation. Bit of a PITA, but such is life.

Cheers

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by banned

Just to confirm mate, the damage you do with the 8 is more than the 2?

Just wondering if all this time I've been doing one quarter of the damage than what I should have been doing, or the game give the same either way?

Cheers

No way to tell. Earlier I got 2 sets of splashes in the water from my outboard guns; afterward I got 8 sets of splashes. That's all I can report.

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

This is really interesting,shoot me down in flames if I'm wrong,but if you have your convergence set up correctly,would'nt that give you your two sets of splashes,ie,the two banks of guns converging into the water at the same time?.......I'm asking as I'm not sure.

I will have to look into this,I don't want to be shooting blanks,like a Jaffa