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Originally Posted by skarden

I don't have to, Luither has already explained it, 3rd answer down, please pay attention to the last sentence in particular.
It's written in plain text so I don't know how you missed it.

Here it is again in case you did somehow miss it.


Luither

Redoing co-op is a huge task. We are a business. We have to make a profit somewhere somehow. We cannot keep pumping resources and releasing free patches for Cliffs of Dover forever.
And regarding not using our products in the future if we do not redo co-op now. I believe the majority in this community actually will. If we offer a much more comprehensive co-op experience in a future product, and especially if such an experience still allows you a trip back in time to fly some Spits and 109s over the Channel, well, I really hope that most people will want to get the sequel.
To reiterate - I've never said that we'll never address co-op, I've only said we cannot do it within the Cliffs of Dover project.

lol, and you really believe this?

[SG1_Lud]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

lol, and you really believe this?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=luthier%27s+coop&l=1

[skarden]

You asked for an explanation and there it is, plain and simple, from the horses mouth so to speak.
if your the kind of person that doesn't believe something when it's in plain english and constantly finds the negative in everything well then too bad for you I guess.

If you don't believe them then let them know by not buying the next game.
Coming here, reading things straight from the devs and then making up what can only be described as BS to better suite an agenda, troll or just save you from getting bored at work seems extremely childish and just plain paranoid to me.

Good luck with that.

[Trumper]

Originally Posted by skarden

You asked for an explanation and there it is, plain and simple, from the horses mouth so to speak.
if your the kind of person that doesn't believe something when it's in plain english and constantly finds the negative in everything well then too bad for you I guess.

If you don't believe them then let them know by not buying the next game.
Coming here, reading things straight from the devs and then making up what can only be described as BS to better suite an agenda, troll or just save you from getting bored at work seems extremely childish and just plain paranoid to me.

Good luck with that.

Actually Luthiers answers prove everything you have just stated above,i won't believe a single thing Luthier says now until it is proven ,tried and trusted.
The proof will be in the pudding--not in what he claims or states

[skarden]

Fair enough, and that's your right of course.
Making that decision based on what's actually been said and your passed experience is sensible.
I've made the same decision based on the same things and just come up with a different opinion, different strokes for different folks and all that.

I've played IL-2 for a long time and it's given me faith in them that they'll produce the goods again, I also appreciate Luithers brand of honesty, again, in whats actually been said not what people make up in their heads.

Hopefully when the sequel comes out we'll both be happy campers

[GloDark7]

The fact that the sequel will be using the same engine tells me all I need to know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcFd5j1cios

Glo

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by GloDark7

The fact that the sequel will be using the same engine tells me all I need to know.

Glo

So you think that the devs can't improve COD's game engine? I know your a fan of Warthunder. Gaijin is using the same game engine for Warthunder that it used for their less than successful WOP sim and I would imagine that Gaijin is doing some major improvements to their game engine to make Warthunder a success. Atleast to have any chance of drawing support from the IL-2 crowd.

[Sandstone]

Originally Posted by Chivas

So you think that the devs can't improve COD's game engine?

Their performance to date suggests they probably can't.

[GloDark7]

Originally Posted by Chivas

So you think that the devs can't improve COD's game engine? I know your a fan of Warthunder. Gaijin is using the same game engine for Warthunder that it used for their less than successful WOP sim and I would imagine that Gaijin is doing some major improvements to their game engine to make Warthunder a success. Atleast to have any chance of drawing support from the IL-2 crowd.

I'm afraid I have very little confidence in that area sadly. After all this time since CloD's release there have been no major breakthroughs with updates to the engine and it's difficult to be optimistic about it at all. Hearing that the sequel will be using this same engine fills me with dread.

Yes, I am a fan of Gaijin's work and also an IL-2/MG fan for many years before this. I am very impressed with Gaijin's WoP (Dagor) engine. Regardless of what you may think about WoP as a title and entry to the genre, it's graphics engine set a new bar. It may have had an unusual green filter on the Britain map(!) but the engine itself was a breakthrough. It makes perfect sense that Gaijin would use this foundation and improve upon it for their next project. In stark contrast 1C have an engine that was broken on day one, has seen little improvement after over a year and THIS is the foundation for their sequel! How can this instil any confidence? It certainly doesn't for me I'm afraid. This engine has gone as far as it can go in my eyes. IT is the bottleneck, not the hardware.

Now, we are getting one last update for CloD. A make or break update really. Sadly CloD is already broken so it either 'makes' it or it stays broken. Then how long till the sequel arrives that uses the SAME engine?

1C may not learn from their mistakes, but the fan base will.

Glo

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

lol, and you really believe this?

You don't believe anything the devs say, which begs the question, why are you still here? You still don't get it, Luthier's is stating what they are trying to achieve, there are no promises, there are approx 40 members of the dev team working on different aspects of the sim, each fix/improvment will be applied when they are ready, thru patches or new addons. The huge delays have put the series in jeopardy, anything can happen at this point, many of them not good.