British FM killing the fun of the game for allied pilots.

[klem]

Originally Posted by 28_Condor

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red pilots complain about bad FMs in british planes

clod devs fix red FM planes

blue pilots complain about uber FMs in british planes

devs downgrade red FM planes

red pilots complain about bad FMs in british planes
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You omitted:

devs create as near realistic FMs as possible
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[Glider]

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

It does seem that British, German and Americans trials and manuals and pilots all highlight a pronounced sensitivity and instability in pitch for the Spitfire, David.

Something I do not deny for a moment, and am more than happy to have in the sim.
In an earlier posting I did look at a number of points that had been raised and tried to find areas of agreement so the Developers would have something to work on and improve things while others were shall we say debated.

However the key point is to what degree was it a major problem. Clearly it was in the Mk V and the bob weights were installed. The fact that it was an approved mod to the Mk I in July 1941 after other approved mods including the change of engine to the Merlin 45 and addition of 20mm cannon point (to me anyway) that it became a problem after the additional weight of these and other changes.
The fact that the Spit was in service for approx 3 years before this change idicates that until this additional weight was added it wasn't a problem.

[Glider]

Originally Posted by Crumpp

Glider,

Airplanes all have unique flying qualities and the Spitfire is no different.

One of the defining characteristics of the early mark Spitfire is the longitudinal instabilty.

Modeling an aircraft with the speed, climb, and turn performance of a Spitfire and stable would be overmodeled and not historically correct.

On this I agree. So you agree that the points you highlight are not dangers specific to a SPitfire?

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by klem

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History says otherwise..

And I say again.... if we were released he operating instructions and what has been modeled into these aircraft everyone here might have a valid point to prove, I'm sorry but until we get more of an understanding these posts are futile

[swift]

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[klem]

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz

History says otherwise..

And I say again.... if we were released he operating instructions and what has been modeled into these aircraft everyone here might have a valid point to prove, I'm sorry but until we get more of an understanding these posts are futile

You are correct, if they want us to take CoD seriously they should tell us what they think they have given us. But if we assume the devs are modelling the Spitfire MkI with normal military loads and CoG and that it is to be operated in accordance with the pilots notes (as far as is reasonable) then it is not performing properly. Neither is the Hurricane under the same terms. And I expect the 109s may not be right either from posts in here.

I don't see where 'History says otherwise' comes into this.

[klem]

Originally Posted by swift

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OK back on Pure Topic.

YES to the title and I voted YES. It ruins the game. We're getting sick of waiting. Does that help?

The vote collects the answer to the title. Discussion of why it ruins the game is inevitable.

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by swift

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I wouldnt say that.. I asked for this thread to stop pages ago but since then I have to be honest and read every post here..some good info being put up and a lot of stuff I didnt know much about.

Im still none the wiser as to who is right or wrong here hence why i keep suggesting the read me/opertain instructions from the devs

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by klem

I don't see where 'History says otherwise' comes into this.

Im revering to an old abused and tired subject about a FM that was put upon us before...I wont drag it all up here, I was just refering to that, was all

[robtek]

Originally Posted by Glider

On this I agree. So you agree that the points you highlight are not dangers specific to a SPitfire?

The danger to a spitfire in game should be that if a pilot abuses his controls (elevator) the plane should break up, the same abuse in a 109 shouldn't lead to breaking the plane, as the pilot there isn't able to produce the necessary stick forces.

The 109 pilot needs high speed and trim to break his plane with the elevators.

Just to keep it simple.