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Old 08-25-2012, 12:17 AM
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This has been covered over and over. You know the answer and can read the POH.
I do know what they say and I do believe the fact that in a high speed stall the aircraft will bang and clatter is a really serious issue.
I mean what else would you expect to happen in a high speed stall? As a CFI you must have done dozens of high speed stalls and I am willing to bet that they clatter and shudder as well.

In a high speed dive it is possible to exceed the G limit, if you pull up too quickly. Well thats new, again as a CFI you must warn your pupils about the dangers of exceeding G limits, well I hope you do.

Great loss of hight when you lose control. Well thats novel. In the UK its normal to teach spins at 12,000 ft because of the danger of loss of height. I assume you do the same in the USA for the same reason. If not what height do you start spin training at?

The need to ensure that you have sufficient speed before recovering drom a dive. Well thats standard training and one that I hope you do as a CFI

Last but not least the fact that if you are so slow off the mark as not to take remedial action should the aircraft flick over, it may result in the aircraft being strained or break it. If you don't take remedial action when entering a high speed roll/spin what do you think will happen?

I think that covers all the points that you raised. Can I ask you to point out which are unique to a Spitfire. I can say that all these points and more are covered in Glider Pilot training in the UK.

Or if they are unique to a Spitfire, can you say which you don't teach in your position as a CFI?

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Old 08-25-2012, 12:27 AM
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Can I ask you to point out which are unique to a Spitfire.
It does seem that British, German and Americans trials and manuals and pilots all highlight a pronounced sensitivity and instability in pitch for the Spitfire, David.
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Old 08-25-2012, 09:25 AM
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It does seem that British, German and Americans trials and manuals and pilots all highlight a pronounced sensitivity and instability in pitch for the Spitfire, David.
Something I do not deny for a moment, and am more than happy to have in the sim.
In an earlier posting I did look at a number of points that had been raised and tried to find areas of agreement so the Developers would have something to work on and improve things while others were shall we say debated.

However the key point is to what degree was it a major problem. Clearly it was in the Mk V and the bob weights were installed. The fact that it was an approved mod to the Mk I in July 1941 after other approved mods including the change of engine to the Merlin 45 and addition of 20mm cannon point (to me anyway) that it became a problem after the additional weight of these and other changes.
The fact that the Spit was in service for approx 3 years before this change idicates that until this additional weight was added it wasn't a problem.
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