Fultures!

[AbortedMan]

Originally Posted by zapatista

since you make a sensible civilized statement that addresses one of the issues under discussion, i'll give you the courtesy of doing the same

there are multiple solutions possible to the vulching issue which is currently totally disproportionate to historical events. as an initial practical step (presuming of course ATAG is trying to SIMULATE historical events), any of those brittish coastal airbases need to have some form of effective defense that prevents the fake current situation where vultures can camp unchallenged over certain airbases perpetually ( as was clearly not the case historically)

if there is currently no working air raid sirens, then the volume of flak and light AA guns going of at an airbase you spawn to will give enough warning (and increase the risk for those trying to attack them)

May I ask you why, specifically, you are against vulching? Is it because you are getting killed too frequently while taking off, or because you are tired of everyone being over the same area for an entire mission while objectives lay incomplete? Or something else entirely?

I'm the latter.

[SiThSpAwN]

Originally Posted by AbortedMan

May I ask you why, specifically, you are against vulching? Is it because you are getting killed too frequently while taking off, or because you are tired of everyone being over the same area for an entire mission while objectives lay incomplete? Or something else entirely?

I'm the latter.

Either way its not ATAG or any other server operators fault if people wont play the objectives...

[AbortedMan]

Originally Posted by SiThSpAwN

Either way its not ATAG or any other server operators fault if people wont play the objectives...

People don't play the objectives because a lot are pre-occupied with base defending/attacking. This makes the objectives just like attacking AI in an SP quick mission when there's a very low chance of encountering another player, it gets boring and a lot don't want to do that when playing online.

[SiThSpAwN]

Originally Posted by AbortedMan

People don't play the objectives because a lot are pre-occupied with base defending/attacking. This makes the objectives just like attacking AI in an SP quick mission when there's a very low chance of encountering another player, it gets boring and a lot don't want to do that when playing online.

I guess my issue with that statement is any experience I have had with ATAG, Blue is hard after the objectives, and generally I can find enemies to fight around those targets...

[FFCW_Urizen]

Originally Posted by SiThSpAwN

I guess my issue with that statement is any experience I have had with ATAG, Blue is hard after the objectives, and generally I can find enemies to fight around those targets...

Which is no doubt attributed to the fact that blues have a wide range of bombers to choose from, reds only have the blenheim at their disposal.

[SiThSpAwN]

Originally Posted by FFCW_Urizen

Which is no doubt attributed to the fact that blues have a wide range of bombers to choose from, reds only have the blenheim at their disposal.

DO you mean Red's dont like the bomber they have and want more variety? Otherwise the numbers available are the same are they not?

[AbortedMan]

Is it safe to assume *most* (not all, don't wanna go generalizing anything because people start crying) pro-vultures are primarily blue pilots?

I'm noticing that trend.

[FFCW_Urizen]

Originally Posted by SiThSpAwN

DO you mean Red's dont like the bomber they have and want more variety? Otherwise the numbers available are the same are they not?

Ok, let´s have a look available to the Blues:

Fighterbomber 109E3/B, 109E4/B, which after release is a fighter and you can engage in a dogfight. so if you want to do a lil bit of blasting and fighting at the same time, it is one of your choices.

Divebomber JU-87, while not as powerful in a climb as the 109, after release it´s quite agile and if you know how to handle it, it can engage in a dogfight, esp. with current fm.

Destroyer 110C-4, 110C-7, oh what a beautiful runway, let´s make it more beautiful by dropping 2 500kg eggs. Oh what, you didn´t like my eggs, have a lil taste of my cannons then, maybe that´s more to your liking.

Levelbomber HE-111, JU-88, that factory has to go!

There is a bomber for each and every type of player out there on the blue side, whereas the reds are just stuck with their blenheim. And yes there are of course passionate blenny pilots, but nothing for players, who would like to fly something like a stuka, destroyer, fighterbomber.

S!

[Volksieg]

What gets me about this whole "Vulching ruins the game" brou-ha is this.....

I am not immune to the odd session of Battlefield. I know... that is a big thing to admit to on a Simulator forum but... hey... coming out takes guts! lol

There have been times, in the many iterations of that series, where I have spawned in only to see enemy copters over head, tanks firing left, right and center, soldiers running over the hills towards me.... bang... dead! I respawn.... bang... dead! I respawn again and manage to last 5 minutes...etc

I find that hilarious! I enjoy that 'Custer's last stand'/ Ragnarok feeling. Meanwhile the chat window is filled with endless moaning and crying......

Why can't people just chill out and enjoy this game? If it upsets you so much, switch to a different server... or a different airfield for that matter! Play again later, perhaps... it's not like ATAG, for example, is just a vulchfest 24/7, is it? Or... try taking off before the enemy and vulching them?

[Attila]

In the beginning, when i was flying the first time on ATAG server i was vulched too. Most of the time it was the same player! I wrote here to change the rules on ATAG. After a little time i took it as a part of the game! Me for myself do not vulch, i wait till the enemy is in the air then i do attack! So the enemy has a chance to survive!