Friday Official Update, July 27, 2012

[Corto]

Originally Posted by PotNoodles

....because they keep getting told the same things week in and week out.

no... there was a new reason this week : ... he was ill and Luthier was out of office... (both took place at the same time)
next week... there will be something different... be sure... seriously

[SiThSpAwN]

Originally Posted by PotNoodles

I have said it before and i'll say it till I am blue in the face, don't keep saying you are trying to push out a patch each week until you know for certain it works. Then you can tell everyone when you are going to release it - SIMPLES!!

I think they should just not say anything about when they expect a patch. I wanna know what they are working on, but no more timelines, no more Maybe this week maybe next. Too many people here think the forum is made of stone, and that everything written in it is law. Take the Eagle Dynamics mind set, it will be available for download when its ready, dont ask when that is, its done when its done.

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[MegOhm]

Originally Posted by PotNoodles

The difference is, I enjoy having a pint and a Cigarette, so I'm not bothered about spending money on something like that.

I haven't had any enjoyment out of this game yet, because I'm still waiting on a patch to fix all that.

I would be careful what you say because I'm sure many will except your offer of $50 just to go away.

Yes I agree.... the needs of the Many will "except" the offer...as you say...

and out weigh the needs of the few that will "accept" the offer....

Apologies to Spock

[Fenrir]

Originally Posted by adonys

you are not, but I am a programmer, and even more, a game designer and a game producer, and I've worked on developing games and software for the last 10 years, from MMORPGs to virtual operating systems for ARM tablets.

imagine that I dare to say I know more about game developing than you, and your friend, and another 10 like you both together!

These things are easily said and far less easily proved, and considering the nature of your recent post I'm quite frankly inclined to disbelieve.

If this is actually the case, why have you not volunteeered your 'expertise'? If you are so passionate about this sim as you so claim, why not offer to help? You clearly think you are qualified enough.

Instead you sit back bitching like every other critic round here, fanning the ill-feeling and slowly helping to drive nails into the coffin lid of this project.

Originally Posted by adonys

and about the matter at hand.. do you imagine how ridiculous their excuse sounds? do you imagine M$, or Nlizzard, or Activision, or Take2, or Electronic Arts, or Ubisoft, or any other western game developer announcing a conferece on a date, to then only post on their forums that their CEO is on a trip, and the conferece announcer got sick for a day or two, so they won't have any conference at all.. while the conference room is still stuffed up with press reprezentatives waiting for the answer..

norhing short of simply ridiculous! if your brain does see that as a valid, mature and acceptable excuse, I would say that you have a high fever at least..

Oh, I forgot that you know everything about how simple it is to run a software development company, and you obviously have some source or window into the lives of all the development team at MG and are intimately aquainted with the various ins and outs of the project management and decison making process to make such an accusation and feel it is credible...

Your suppositions are based on a minute percentage of the information available and one helluva lot of imagination.

Clearly somewhere some bad decisions have been made, and the knock on effects are still being felt now, amplified even. However where you see theives, fools and incompetants I'm more inclined to put myself in their situation and try and empathise, imagine what my feelings and motivations might be, and see some chaps in a bad place working hard to correct some bad luck and bad choices - it's what I'd do in their situation.

Which leads me to.....

Originally Posted by adonys

I understand their difficult situation, lack of good programmers and project managers,

Ha! Your entire diatribe proves entirley otherwise. Go look up 'understand' in the dictionary - it means to comprehend, empathise, reach a level of compassionate intellectual syncronisation. You have shown sweet Fanny Adams thus far.

The fact is I understand your frustration, I'm in here every Friday too hoping for a fix. The game was gifted to me by a friend so I'm not out of pocket it like a lot of others but it has cost me in some regard - I've been following this title as long and with as much anticipation as anyone else and want to see a comprehensive fix as much as the next guy.

What I don't get is the bitter, stinging slanging and treatment of the dev team - what on earth do people think it will accomplish?? We just widen the Gulf between client and developer, demotivate the very people we want to work to fix our issues and risk at the very least losing features we'd like to see cos they won't bother listening or worst case the entire title and we'll be stuck with a lame duck forever more!

Why is this so difficult to comprehend?!

[furbs]

Originally Posted by FS~Phat

I agree with Frey. It might be considered a better development if it were a sealed section for hater members only but then I guess they would get bored of it pretty quickly because they wouldn't have anyone to troll. LoL

Im not a "hater" and i dont think anyone else is, here or at SimHQ. SimHQ extended discussions is a place where you can speak your mind openly without fear of being banned if you are unhappy with the state of CLOD. The discussions there while heated sometimes are friendly and without malice.

Chivas and myself have being "discussing" CLOD for well over a year with out either of us resorting to attacks, abuse or any bans.

And Frey, you were banned for personal attacks in the forum you said you would never visit but couldn't help but attack people. Since then the forum is friendly and with out problems.

Worrying though is a Mod labeling some forum members "haters and trolls". I thought mods were superposed to be unbiased, how can we be sure of fair and unbiased moderation on this forum with comments like that?

[Force10]

Originally Posted by furbs

Im not a "hater" and i dont think anyone else is, here or at SimHQ. SimHQ extended discussions is a place where you can speak your mind openly without fear of being banned if you are unhappy with the state of CLOD. The discussions there while heated sometimes are friendly and without malice.

Chivas and myself have being "discussing" CLOD for well over a year with out either of us resorting to attacks, abuse or any bans.

And Frey, you were banned for personal attacks in the forum you said you would never visit but couldn't help but attack people. Since then the forum is friendly and with out problems.

+1 Well said

[kristorf]

Originally Posted by furbs

Im not a "hater" and i dont think anyone else is, here or at SimHQ. SimHQ extended discussions is a place where you can speak your mind openly without fear of being banned if you are unhappy with the state of CLOD. The discussions there while heated sometimes are friendly and without malice.

Chivas and myself have being "discussing" CLOD for well over a year with out either of us resorting to attacks, abuse or any bans.

And Frey, you were banned for personal attacks in the forum you said you would never visit but couldn't help but attack people. Since then the forum is friendly and with out problems.

titter titter

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by SiThSpAwN

I think they should just not say anything about when they expect a patch. I wanna know what they are working on, but no more timelines, no more Maybe this week maybe next. Too many people here think the forum is made of stone, and that everything written in it is law. Take the Eagle Dynamics mind set, it will be available for download when its ready, dont ask when that is, its done when its done.

Agreed 100%

Originally Posted by SiThSpAwN

I will translate for the haters... Wa Wa Wa Wa Wa Wa Wa Wa Wa Wa
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rotfl

Originally Posted by FS~Phat

I agree with Frey. It might be considered a better development if it were a sealed section for hater members only but then I guess they would get bored of it pretty quickly because they wouldn't have anyone to troll. LoL

Bingo!

Originally Posted by PotNoodles

We get told they have fixed a major bug (last week it was 5 mins ago) and all the rest of the work has been carried out, but then the following week it never ever seems to go well and we are back to square one not Knowing what has happened.

What you just described is known as beta testing in the software world.. Minus the square one comment, which is just your opinion.

Originally Posted by PotNoodles

Nobody from the team makes any announcement about what has happened

Which is true of many software companies..

Where they found it silly to spend a lot of time and effort explaining the results of a beta patch..

In that the full intent of a beta patch is to release it knowing in advance 'some' aspects are unfinished, un-optimized, or flat out broken

But the purpose (hope) is by releasing a beta patch they can obtain feedback from the community as to 'other' aspects of the program.

Originally Posted by PotNoodles

and some people start to think they are just been taken for a ride.

Fixed that for ya

Originally Posted by PotNoodles

I have said it before and i'll say it till I am blue in the face, don't keep saying you are trying to push out a patch each week until you know for certain it works. Then you can tell everyone when you are going to release it - SIMPLES!!

Which is what they do with a final release patch, but don't do, on purpose, with a beta patch.

The whole purpose of putting out a beta patch is to 'see' if it works..

If not..

Find and fix what is broken..

wash rinse repeat

Until they can find no more errors

And even after all that there is no guarantee (ie be 'certain')

But they do this so they can be as 'certain' as they can be when they release the 'official' patch.

The only real mistake 1C makes in all this is when they assume the users of beta patches understand what beta patch means. In that based on the responses in this thread and others that is clearly not the case!

[Force10]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

The only real mistake 1C makes in all this is when they assume the users of beta patches understand what beta patch means

We also know what an Alpha build is...which is what got boxed up and put on the shelves pretending to be retail only to get the attitude later "Sorry...we needed your money"

[Pudfark]

It ain't my kitchen.
It ain't my pot.
It ain't my job.
It's our "stew".

I don't mean anything ugly by that above...
I'd just like to have a downloadable Steam Patch for this sim.

Like others....I'm tired of Stewing,
Stirring and the like.

later....