Patch update 22/06 - general discussion (ask questions in official update thread)

[=AN=Apache]

Someone knows how many copies were sold of the CLOD? thanks

[Allons!]

Originally Posted by =AN=Apache

Someone knows how many copies were sold of the CLOD? thanks

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/53111/i...iffs-of-dover/

That is: 18.xxx copies worldwide with mostly 9k in 2011 and 9k in 2012

[=AN=Apache]

Originally Posted by Allons!

http://www.vgchartz.com/game/53111/i...iffs-of-dover/

That is: 18.xxx copies worldwide with mostly 9k in 2011 and 9k in 2012

Thanks for the info ...

18k copies actually a mega failure, ahead of big game developers considering 100k copies a failure ...

I've been analyzing that there is this patch is released or are just buying time?

To this amount of sales actually his interest in pleasing the audience is very small. If it exists!

Now I understand why they try so hard to divert attention to the BOM with screeshots and reports on the development of the sequel.

Where are we going to stop?

[Fjordmonkey]

Originally Posted by =AN=Apache

18k copies actually a mega failure, ahead of big game developers considering 100k copies a failure ...

18k copies might be a failure if you're talking about an MMO or an FPS/RTS, but you must remember that this is neither. This is a high-fidelity WW2 flightsim, which is a market that's incredibly narrow and has a very small fanbase in general. Is 18k copies low? In raw numbers, yes, it is. Viewed in light of how few simmers on this level there actually is, it might not be all that low.

What I want to know, however, is where vgchartz gets their numbers from. I don't trust anything when it comes to third-party reportingsites for sales/subscribers, through long experience with MMO's.

[=AN=Apache]

Originally Posted by Fjordmonkey

18k copies might be a failure if you're talking about an MMO or an FPS/RTS, but you must remember that this is neither. This is a high-fidelity WW2 flightsim, which is a market that's incredibly narrow and has a very small fanbase in general. Is 18k copies low? In raw numbers, yes, it is. Viewed in light of how few simmers on this level there actually is, it might not be all that low.

What I want to know, however, is where vgchartz gets their numbers from. I don't trust anything when it comes to third-party reportingsites for sales/subscribers, through long experience with MMO's.

Looking at it this way ... you're right!

[Allons!]

I wonder who of the simming community would take the game only per download when we all love thick handbooks, printed cards and stuff like this. OK lets take another 10% of steam-only copies. Revenuewise we have to take into account the massive falling of current prices. Greetz, Allons!

P.S. When the engine is fixed i will buy BoM as well right away, if the fixed engine comes with BoM and is told to work with CoD i will wait until all here claim the engine as working.

[tintifaxl]

I bought 2 digital versions (russian and international) as downloads and the collectors edition. I know 2 squadies bought it from Steam. 4:1 for download sales in my experience.

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by flyingblind

Sorry, I don't get these arguments that the developers are 'buying time' or dragging their feet in any way. Nor do I understand the complaints that they should hold back on work to the sequel until CloD is fully fixed.

They have no doubt generated the bulk of the sales from CloD as it stands and need more revenue to keep developement going. They cannot release a sequel until the code is fixed so the coming patch is an absolute essential priority for them plus any more that may follow. Once the code is fixed and CloD works as it should then the first thing people here will be clamouring for is the next theatre. And wouldn't they be weed off if Luthier then said, 'Ok guys, we'll start work right away so should be done in a year or two or so.'

This way CloD will be fixed as soon as and the sequel will follow as the bulk of the 3D modeling and maps will be done and the engine will be the same.

Hopefully reviews and sales of the sequel will be much better than cloD. You desk pilots will be happy bunnies (yeah right) and future developement will continue as per IL2.

I for one will buy the sequel on release if only to do my tiny bit to keep the whole show rolling along in return for hours of fun.

This makes too much sense and we don't roll that way around here

On a serious note, that's my take on things as well:

Engine is common -> fix the engine

3d models are different and done by different people -> give them something to work on while the programmers fix the engine, so that it doesn't take another 7 years for the sequel.

[NervousEnergy]

Originally Posted by Allons!

I wonder who of the simming community would take the game only per download when we all love thick handbooks, printed cards and stuff like this. OK lets take another 10% of steam-only copies. Revenuewise we have to take into account the massive falling of current prices. Greetz, Allons!

P.S. When the engine is fixed i will buy BoM as well right away, if the fixed engine comes with BoM and is told to work with CoD i will wait until all here claim the engine as working.

I'd buy a CE of CLoD today if I could find one for sale the US. The only thing I see is eBay sales. 1C or their US publishers need to find a way to market the more expensive physical versions in the US, and include enough quality items to make it desireable. Build it *and sell it here* and we will come.

[klem]

Originally Posted by Allons!

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P.S. When the engine is fixed i will buy BoM as well right away, if the fixed engine comes with BoM and is told to work with CoD i will wait until all here claim the engine as working.

I think most people on these forums will buy BoM despite what they quite legitimately complain about here. Why? Because they are sim/combat enthusiasts and can't wait for a new arena to play in. There are a handful here that won't, those that have no real interest in those sims or CoD. For most of us CoD and BoM will be our playground. For that handful these forums are their playground. If only they would just fade away.