Patch update 22/06 - general discussion (ask questions in official update thread)

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Volksieg

LOL at 'Grand Theft Aero'

I do understand where you are coming from but, if nothing else, this forum can act as a warning to other curious people who consider spending money on Cliffs of Dover... meanwhile they can then hop over to the 1946 forum and be enticed by the best simulator to ever grace the market.

As I have said elsewhere... I WANT this to succeed, not only so I get my money's worth but, as you rightly point out, for the sake of the simming hobby itself but...

...Release a faulty product and then irritate the community with badly handled PR and reap the whirlwind!

The best that could come out of this is everyone gets a learning experience.

Yeah it wil act as a warning ok, it will just warn everyone involved including developers that flight sims are an extremely volatile area and nobody will ever bother with them again.....hows that for a learning experience.

since when was the way to making something succeed was to berrate it mercilessly? instead of perhaps trying some encouragement.

[Volksieg]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Yeah it wil act as a warning ok, it will just warn everyone involved including developers that flight sims are an extremely volatile area and nobody will ever bother with them again.....hows that for a learning experience.

since when was the way to making something succeed was to berrate it mercilessly? instead of perhaps trying some encouragement.

Again, a fair point, but how about the hobby disappearing because the dev team can't do it properly? I'm sure they're not sat on the edge of their seats desperate for encouragement and approval.... if anything it seems they are courting the complete opposite.

I know the hobby is in danger.... but, then again, as the world becomes more moronic and driven by market forces alone, show me a hobby of any worth that isn't dying. There are many factors, that I won't go into here, for why that is happening on a worldwide scale and I'm fairly sure disgruntled customers on an obscure forum are not one of them

They would have my full support if they just stopped giving updates that have a whiff of the Nigerian Email Scam about them! Cut the promises and "two weeks", "Soon", "In a few days" rubbish... that is what is causing all the ill will! Sure... there are those out there who don't appreciate just how much work it takes/will take, how small the team is etc but that is life!

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Volksieg

Again, a fair point, but how about the hobby disappearing because the dev team can't do it properly? I'm sure they're not sat on the edge of their seats desperate for encouragement and approval.... if anything it seems they are courting the complete opposite.

I know the hobby is in danger.... but, then again, as the world becomes more moronic and driven by market forces alone, show me a hobby of any worth that isn't dying. There are many factors, that I won't go into here, for why that is happening on a worldwide scale and I'm fairly sure disgruntled customers on an obscure forum are not one of them

They would have my full support if they just stopped giving updates that have a whiff of the Nigerian Email Scam about them! Cut the promises and "two weeks", "Soon", "In a few days" rubbish... that is what is causing all the ill will! Sure... there are those out there who don't appreciate just how much work it takes/will take, how small the team is etc but that is life!

The weekly updates were 'demanded' by the impatient community who don't seem to have anything else in their lives but the F5 key.

So if you are ever faced with watching something you hold dear slowly dying right in front of you the best course of action would be to slap it round the face and constantly remind it it is failing at survival?

[6S.Tamat]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

The weekly updates were 'demanded' by the impatient community who don't seem to have anything else in their lives but the F5 key.

So if you are ever faced with watching something you hold dear slowly dying right in front of you the best course of action would be to slap it round the face and constantly remind it it is failing at survival?

The weekly updates are a good opportunity for the developers to interact with their customer base. Interact with us is now vital to resolve the lack of trust given by the problems, to demonstrate as well as possible that they are working in the right direction. The fact that they don't use it well is a shame.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by 6S.Tamat

The weekly updates are a good opportunity for the developers to interact with their customer base. Interact with us is now vital to resolve the lack of trust given by the problems, to demonstrate as well as possible that they are working in the right direction. The fact that they don't use it well is a shame.

Yet everytime they do interact with us they just get slammed for making excuses.

[6S.Tamat]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Yet everytime they do interact with us they just get slammed for making excuses.

A very general and basic rule of marketing is that if your customers are not satisfied then you are doing something wrong.
Then you can say that the customers act like kids and i wouldn't necessarily agree, but from those kids are coming their money.

[Volksieg]

Originally Posted by 6s.tamat

a very general and basic rule of marketing is that if your customers are not satisfied then you are doing something wrong.
Then you can say that the customers act like kids and i wouldn't necessarily agree, but from those kids are coming their money.

bingo

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by 6S.Tamat

A very general and basic rule of marketing is that if your customers are not satisfied then you are doing something wrong.
Then you can say that the customers act like kids and i wouldn't necessarily agree, but from those kids are coming their money.

That rule applies to everything, if someone is complaining the someone is doing something wrong, hence why people are complaining about the whingeing....it's just wrong don't do it, ask for your money back from the developers and go on with your lives.

[Volksieg]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

The weekly updates were 'demanded' by the impatient community who don't seem to have anything else in their lives but the F5 key.

So if you are ever faced with watching something you hold dear slowly dying right in front of you the best course of action would be to slap it round the face and constantly remind it it is failing at survival?

Maybe.. depends what mood I was in (Joke!)

Even the demands for updates.... at least that shows that the customer base are still passionate about their hobby! When the demanding stops..... then we really are in trouble!

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Volksieg

Maybe.. depends what mood I was in (Joke!)

Even the demands for updates.... at least that shows that the customer base are still passionate about their hobby! When the demanding stops..... then we really are in trouble!

Perhaps.....I just wish there was more 'dignity' that the begging and demanding.