Is CoD going to be patched to a 'final state' ?

[Force10]

At this point, COD has just made us all alpha testers for the BOM engine. All this attempted patching is just for the next project since it will be using the same engine. Better simulating the Battle of Britain will be up to the modders if a SDK ever comes out.

[Tone71]

Originally Posted by Force10

At this point, COD has just made us all alpha testers for the BOM engine. All this attempted patching is just for the next project since it will be using the same engine. Better simulating the Battle of Britain will be up to the modders if a SDK ever comes out.

I agree. It was a kick in the teeth when I heard they were working on BOM, considering the state CloD is in AND we're going to have to shell out again to play what CloD should have been in the first place.
As much as I loved IL-2, I won't be falling into the IL2, Forgotten Battles, Ace expansion, Pacific fighters, IL-2 1946... trap again.

[skarden]

How many times does the division of labor for a software development company have to be explained before it sinks into peoples heads, it has been explained at least a dozen bloody times and people still pull the "oh I can't believe that their working on BOM when COD is........blah blah blah"

[Force10]

Originally Posted by skarden

How many times does the division of labor for a software development company have to be explained before it sinks into peoples heads, it has been explained at least a dozen bloody times and people still pull the "oh I can't believe that their working on BOM when COD is........blah blah blah"

Yeah...we get the division of labor thing. 3d modelers being different than people that work on code. I would say that BOM is the reason we won't see any more planes for COD or any type of real campaign system, because these people have been working on BOM for quite awhile now, while COD has not been fleshed out into a real BOB sim. Oh....almost forgot....blah blah blah.

[5./JG27.Farber]

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[skarden]

Originally Posted by Force10

Yeah...we get the division of labor thing. 3d modelers being different than people that work on code. I would say that BOM is the reason we won't see any more planes for COD or any type of real campaign system, because these people have been working on BOM for quite awhile now, while COD has not been fleshed out into a real BOB sim. Oh....almost forgot....blah blah blah.

Well if you get the division of labor then whats not to understand? people ARE Working on improving the game and getting the new patch out, what so the people who aren't working on that should just be sitting around doing nothing? why not have them working on BOM, it makes sense to have them doing something productive doesn't it?, and you don't know which teams of people are working on BOM and who's working on COD your just taking wild stabs in the dark without any evidence to back it up.

And as far as it being fleshed out into a real BOB sim, to me it's always been more of a hardware limitation then a software one, the only sim that I know comes close is wings of victory II BOB which while actually being quiet good and can get close the numbers of planes used in BOB it doesn't have a tenth of the depth of modeling that COD has, and use's a MUCH older game engine to achieve it, which again doesn't anything close to the complexity that COD has ( with the exception of the AI, which is outstanding! )

The amount of depth COD has comes at a price, and that price is needing to have good hardware to run it, you can't create a game/sim that is planned to be expanded on for the next 10 years while catering to yestedays hardware, I know that seems harsh, but to me it's the truth of that matter, some of the great games of the last few years weren't able to be cranked all the way up until a couple of years after release, and I honestly think COD will be one of those great games.

[Anders_And]

Originally Posted by skarden

Well if you get the division of labor then whats not to understand? people ARE Working on improving the game and getting the new patch out, what so the people who aren't working on that should just be sitting around doing nothing? why not have them working on BOM, it makes sense to have them doing something productive doesn't it?, and you don't know which teams of people are working on BOM and who's working on COD your just taking wild stabs in the dark without any evidence to back it up.

And as far as it being fleshed out into a real BOB sim, to me it's always been more of a hardware limitation then a software one, the only sim that I know comes close is wings of victory II BOB which while actually being quiet good and can get close the numbers of planes used in BOB it doesn't have a tenth of the depth of modeling that COD has, and use's a MUCH older game engine to achieve it, which again doesn't anything close to the complexity that COD has ( with the exception of the AI, which is outstanding! )

The amount of depth COD has comes at a price, and that price is needing to have good hardware to run it, you can't create a game/sim that is planned to be expanded on for the next 10 years while catering to yestedays hardware, I know that seems harsh, but to me it's the truth of that matter, some of the great games of the last few years weren't able to be cranked all the way up until a couple of years after release, and I honestly think COD will be one of those great games.

Skarden, your system is very similiar to mine... I have have a I5-760 at 4ghz otherwise we have exactly the same systems.. How is your game running? Since last beta patch my frames might be in general higher but the stutter close to the ground with trees and grass became alot worse... :I fly with Vsync ON and in general i have 60 FPS all around but the stuttering is terrible!! Made me go back to the pre beta where everything is smooth as a babys skin!

[Anders_And]

Originally Posted by skarden

Well if you get the division of labor then whats not to understand? people ARE Working on improving the game and getting the new patch out, what so the people who aren't working on that should just be sitting around doing nothing? why not have them working on BOM, it makes sense to have them doing something productive doesn't it?, and you don't know which teams of people are working on BOM and who's working on COD your just taking wild stabs in the dark without any evidence to back it up.

And as far as it being fleshed out into a real BOB sim, to me it's always been more of a hardware limitation then a software one, the only sim that I know comes close is wings of victory II BOB which while actually being quiet good and can get close the numbers of planes used in BOB it doesn't have a tenth of the depth of modeling that COD has, and use's a MUCH older game engine to achieve it, which again doesn't anything close to the complexity that COD has ( with the exception of the AI, which is outstanding! )

The amount of depth COD has comes at a price, and that price is needing to have good hardware to run it, you can't create a game/sim that is planned to be expanded on for the next 10 years while catering to yestedays hardware, I know that seems harsh, but to me it's the truth of that matter, some of the great games of the last few years weren't able to be cranked all the way up until a couple of years after release, and I honestly think COD will be one of those great games.

Skarden, your system is very similiar to mine... I have have a I5-760 at 4ghz otherwise we have exactly the same systems.. How is your game running? Since last beta patch my frames might be in general higher but the stutter close to the ground with trees and grass became alot worse... :I fly with Vsync ON and in general i have 60 FPS all around but the stuttering is terrible!! Made me go back to the pre beta where everything is smooth as a babys skin!

Btw, are you scandinavian? Seem to remember u from Il2 1946 warclouds server

[skarden]

Originally Posted by Anders_And

Skarden, your system is very similiar to mine... I have have a I5-760 at 4ghz otherwise we have exactly the same systems.. How is your game running? Since last beta patch my frames might be in general higher but the stutter close to the ground with trees and grass became alot worse... :I fly with Vsync ON and in general i have 60 FPS all around but the stuttering is terrible!! Made me go back to the pre beta where everything is smooth as a babys skin!

Btw, are you scandinavian? Seem to remember u from Il2 1946 warclouds server

Hey Anders, for the most part I get pretty good performance, prob between 25 - 35 over land depending where I am on the map with everything turned up and 60 + over the ocean, although Clouds do cut my FPS in half pretty much instantly which is a bit of a bummer, not a show stopper for me but I'm definitely hoping that they fix that one soon.

Close to the ground I do get a little micro - stuttering but it's only really noticeable if I'm really looking for it, if I'm dogfighting close to the ground or straffing targets it's not really noticeable, to me at least, although I pretty sure I play with vsync turned off (I'm currently oversae's atm so I can't check) so maybe that has something to do with it.

Na I'm not scandinavian, I'm Australian,although I did play on the warbirds server whenever I got a chance under skarden, a great server with great missions, I always had a blast, I love full switch

But unfortunately I havne't played IL-46 in ages as I bought some new peripherals to indulge my want to get into racing sims ( loving it too!) and now IL-2 won't recognize the right controller's input due to the bloody 4 controller limit, a hell of a shame as there has been some great release's on the mod front :/