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Originally Posted by tools4fools

Remeber, you were asking for any 262 design?

Actually I recall noting you would be hard pressed to find any post war JET FIGHTER with engines mounted under the wing in pods..

I later expanded that to say something along the lines that you would be hard pressed to find any 'unique' feature of the Me262 that was used in post war JET FIGHTER designs.. As in something no other FIGHTER had except the Me262. As noted, most history channel types would chime in with 'swept wings' but as we have already shown, the wings were swept to correct the cg.

Originally Posted by tools4fools

Errr, yes, obvious as you had already mentioned one - engine in pods. Plus jet engines, plus swept wing, makes indeed 3.

Errr, no, obvious as to I specifically asked for design aspects of the Me262 that ended up on post war JET FIGHTERS..

And I specifically noted that few if any post war JET FIGHTERS mounted their jet engines under the wings in pods..

So why you thought you could include that in your 'count' is beyond me!

Originally Posted by tools4fools

However you asked for those only that are still in todays designs, and that's two, jet engine and swept wing.

Nope.. re-read what I said.. I did not ask for design aspects that are still in use today.. I speciflly mentioned post war designs of the 50s and 60s.. I did go as far as to point out that the design aspect of the P80 intakes are still in use today when I pointed out that the P80 was ahead of its time with regards to the intakes.. Where I went onto point out the early 50s JET FIGHTER designs put the intake location at the nose of the plane.. Which changed over time to the P80 style.

Originally Posted by tools4fools

So here we go again:
3 in total minus 1 not in current designs anymore equals 2 still in current designs.

That's the 2 I mentioned.

3-1=2

Does that make sense to you?

No as I pointed out above.. The question put to you was what design aspects of the Me262 were used in post war JET FIGHTER designs of the 50s and 60s

With that said, we can NOT list..

• swept wings as a unique Me262 design aspect because we know they did that just to offset the cg

• engine pods under the wings as a unique Me262 design aspect because few if any post war JET FIGHTERS of the 50s and 60s did that

• Jet engines as a unique Me262 design aspect because the US and Brits both had JET FIGHTERS in use during WWII

So.. there really isn't any unique Me262 design aspect that was used in post war JET FIGHTER designs! Other than the flying tail I pointed out earlier.. but that was not unique to the Me262 the Fw190 had a similar setup.. Which leaves

3-3=0

Does that make sense to you?

If not than please.. Tell me which unique Me262 design aspect that was used in post war JET FIGHTER designs during the 50s and 60s

Originally Posted by tools4fools

As you noted to outer wing sweep was introduced for the CoG. Anything about inner wing sweep, additional research done while the plane was developed, flight tests, etc is stubbornly denied by you.
You just put your head in the sand.

I never denied it!

I just like to stick to things that can be proven..

With that said there is no proof that they swept the inner wing based on any high swept wing wind tunnel testing..

You have to remember, the Me262 was NOT designed to fly above 600mph.. It was a sub sonic plane..

And the high speed wind tunnel testing the Germans were working on was for planes flying faster than that.. Which is why they did not immediately make the connection that a swept wing is beneficial at sub sonic speeds.

Originally Posted by tools4fools

No it wasn't. Just because one aspect of this plane is not found anymore in more modern fighter does not mean it was a dead end. <snip>

That is my point..

No unique design aspect of the Me262 was used in post war JET FIGHTER designs that the US and Brits were not already doing!

The only thing that came close was the swept wings.. But as we now know they did NOT do that for high speed handling aspects.. They swept the wings to correct the cg

Originally Posted by tools4fools

Boy, this is getting really silly.

Agreed

Which is why I recommended a few posts back that we should just agree to disagree!

In the end I am glad that I was able to educate you on two things

1) The myth about the reason the Me262 wings were swept
2) The myth about the reason the Me262 was delayed

It is always a good day when I can find a way to undo what the history channel has managed to do to so many.. Granted the history channel can poison the minds of thousand with one half hour show.. Which means I have my work cut out for me! But you just have to keep chipping away at the German were supermen stone each and every chance you get!

True history is counting on us!