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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 05-11-2012, 06:03 PM
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If the elliptical form would have been so advantageous why did so few other air forces not adopt them? Supermarine was neither the inventor nor the patent holder of the elliptical wing.
I think you answered your own question when you noted

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It came at the cost of a wing very difficult to produce and it was commonly abandoned by all air forces.
War espically WWII was more about logistics and economics.. Along those same lines is one of the reason they went with the P51 over the P38.. economics
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Old 05-11-2012, 06:44 PM
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Just found this article, really nice to read.
http://thoughtality.com/the-spitfire-wing
It looks like the decision was really influenced by the need to accommodate 8 guns.

A trapezoid wing with rounded wingtips comes close to the "ideal" elliptical wing.

And as Kurfurst mentioned, the advantages of truly elliptical wing are more theoretical than practical. Just in 1934 when the wing was designed it all looked a bit different than during WWII. Average performance of fighter planes was much lower and they probably saw the need for good low speed handling and efficiency. As performance and speed increased these aspects were less important. Also the 8 guns in wings design became obsolete with introduction of more powerful canons.

Back to the original question. I believe the 109 performs worse than the spit at very low speeds, because when it has to deploy slats, the wing is already working far behind its optimum. The spit can achieve similar lift without slats and with lower angle of attack. So yes, the induced drag would be lower. (I don't want to dig into boundary layer separation and stall questions)

At the same time Kurfurst is right, that this aspect became obsolete during WWII.
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