HyperLobby server

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by BH_woodstock

seemed like it to me.NO opening screen and having to click client or anything.it just loads right into server is what i mean.

Many servers now have this feature through steam - For Example:

ATAG (In their community Team speak)

and

5./JG27 Public (on our forum page.) http://www.5jg27.net/


Its the same thing. The only thing steam doesnt have is the chat.

[KG26_Alpha]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

Its the same thing. The only thing steam doesnt have is the chat.

the thing Steam doesn't have is a live community like HL does.

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

the thing Steam doesn't have is a live community like HL does.

HL used to have a community, perhaps. But it certainly does not any more and likely never will again.

People have a lot of nostalgia for HL but quite frankly if you look at it from an objective perspective, putting aside your emotions it's plain to see that HL is a sub-par program.

The game's got a built-in lobby. If it had a chat feature that connected to an IRC channel it would be infinitely superior. Why do we need a 3rd-party external lobby that doesn't show accurate player numbers if people direct-connect and whose chat is 99% full of trolling anyways?

HL is a relic of the past struggling to maintain relevancy.

[KG26_Alpha]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

HL used to have a community, perhaps. But it certainly does not any more and likely never will again.

People have a lot of nostalgia for HL but quite frankly if you look at it from an objective perspective, putting aside your emotions it's plain to see that HL is a sub-par program.

The game's got a built-in lobby. If it had a chat feature that connected to an IRC channel it would be infinitely superior. Why do we need a 3rd-party external lobby that doesn't show accurate player numbers if people direct-connect and whose chat is 99% full of trolling anyways?

HL is a relic of the past struggling to maintain relevancy.

So where are the 500 or so IL2 1946 pilots meeting & flying from these days ?

Its server well over 10 years as a support, meeting, recruitment place.

It looks like it will keep going.

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

So where are the 500 or so IL2 1946 pilots meeting & flying from these days ?

Its server well over 10 years as a support, meeting, recruitment place.

It looks like it will keep going.

Maybe for 1946 it will. For CLOD though, I doubt it. 500 pilots is a shadow of the former online population.

Objectively speaking, what is good about HL? Other than the chat, what does HL have that an ingame lobby doesn't?

[KG26_Alpha]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Maybe for 1946 it will. For CLOD though, I doubt it. 500 pilots is a shadow of the former online population.

Objectively speaking, what is good about HL? Other than the chat, what does HL have that an ingame lobby doesn't?

Agreed there used to be 1000+

Some will argue the numbers halved after the mod packs arrived, some will argue the mod kept the game alive.

Numbers tell us that the v4.11 revived the IL2 1946 online community, users are coming back to stock CooP's and Df servers.

HL has a section for CoD I use it to host from there's a few in there right now.

HL is a point of contact for other pilots to interact outside of the game before any-things launched, so mission and tactics can be discussed also general information exchange can take place about squad or individuals activity including recruitment.

So generally necessary if you want to be part of a community, if you just want to hop in a server and fly around shooting stuff and not be part of anything bigger that's up to you.

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

Agreed there used to be 1000+

Some will argue the numbers halved after the mod packs arrived, some will argue the mod kept the game alive.

Numbers tell us that the v4.11 revived the IL2 1946 online community, users are coming back to stock CooP's and Df servers.

It's a big 'if', but if CLOD ever gets to a workable state, I suspect that the numbers for 1946 will die off. My opinion is that the shoddy, dismal state of CLOD is a large contributor to the high number of pilots still flying 1946.

HL has a section for CoD I use it to host from there's a few in there right now.

Last time I checked, HL servers couldn't accurately report the server population unless everyone joined through hyperlobby. Is this still true?

HL is a point of contact for other pilots to interact outside of the game before any-things launched, so mission and tactics can be discussed also general information exchange can take place about squad or individuals activity including recruitment.

I agree that it used to be. But 10 years ago some people were still on dialup or ISDN lines. 99% are on broadband now, and voice chat servers are cheap, easy to set up, and a much better medium for getting help and support than text chat. Speaking is just faster than typing, and also frees the hands up for multitasking.

So generally necessary if you want to be part of a community, if you just want to hop in a server and fly around shooting stuff and not be part of anything bigger that's up to you.

Nice jab. I myself have been involved with numerous "bigger things" so your assumption doesn't really fit. I've flown in online wars, the USL, etc and every time I found it much simpler to just join via direct connect than waste time fiddling with hyperlobby.

[von Pilsner]

Originally Posted by mxmadman

The point is not about how the folks communicate once they've already formed a group, the problem is that its not possible to form that group by joining a TS. I can't ask the TS fairy what IP address will bring me to the right group of sim pilots.

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Objectively speaking, what is good about HL? Other than the chat, what does HL have that an ingame lobby doesn't?

When I heard that CloD was going to be on steam I was actually kind of happy... I figured the servers and squads would all form steam-groups and players would join the appropriate group(s)... This would have allowed squads to have an instant blog style place to meet up and communicate (via steam) with chat or voice (yes, I honestly thought people would just use steam for voice chat since it's built in).

I also thought the individual servers would have their own steam groups for communication, announcements, posting events, map rotations, etc...

A chat lobby in game and better integration with steam servers (like l4d2) could have turned out completely differently... then folks who are not into the forums would find the CloD related groups (squads) and servers on steam and we'd all be more of a community....

Instead we are pining for HL (which is great!!!) but it seems like we really just need better mp lobbies in-game that accomodate coop style gameplay and pre-mission chat (and maybe better integration with between the servers and steam itself).

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by von Pilsner

When I heard that CloD was going to be on steam I was actually kind of happy... I figured the servers and squads would all form steam-groups and players would join the appropriate group(s)... This would have allowed squads to have an instant blog style place to meet up and communicate (via steam) with chat or voice (yes, I honestly thought people would just use steam for voice chat since it's built in).

I also thought the individual servers would have their own steam groups for communication, announcements, posting events, map rotations, etc...

A chat lobby in game and better integration with steam servers (like l4d2) could have turned out completely differently... then folks who are not into the forums would find the CloD related groups (squads) and servers on steam and we'd all be more of a community....

...it seems like we really just need better mp lobbies in-game that accomodate coop style gameplay and pre-mission chat (and maybe better integration with between the servers and steam itself).

Indeed, However no such Coop on par with the old game exists. I think you have something we the steam groups. My unit has a steam group and placing events in the Schedule is useful for reminding people its time for training, etc. The "Schedule event" feature of "Groups" is often over looked.

I got really annoyed with HL in 1946 with the game mods because it only recognises one installation and the clunky interface is so outdated its very difficult to change the directory of the installation and do other things aswell! HL brought us lots of things in MP, they only other option was X-fire which was painful. As for the Chat feature - both Warbirds of Prey and ATAG have a community Team speak which you are free to use! Why type when you can Speak? - its ten tis quicker and more personnel. Also the chat was a bit... - Useless unless you where a regular. There was a degree of regular chat and those members ignored the others. Occasionally you could get help there but mostly it was drowned out by the regulars who didnt care.

This of Course is my experience.

Also right now there is so much to do for those running servers. Steam kicking servers, building missions, Scripting, Stats, Clod issues etc etc plus the running of your own unit! Altering the server to suit HL which only shows a fraction of the small amount of servers in an already complicated system (which is like stacking cards) is just out of the question.

I'd like to thank HL for what it gave us in the past but without a serious face lift of the GUI and as least hassle as possible to those running the servers I can't see it standing up to the errosion of time! What would be great is if it autodetected steam servers and added them there so those that wanted to use HL could have a greater range of servers. However I do not even know if this is possible? Perhaps with a copy of the game telling HL what was there in Steam everyone could be satisfied.


Wow thats a good thought! Servers to have steam Groups! Warbirds of Prey and ATAG - where are your steam groups?

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by von Pilsner

When I heard that CloD was going to be on steam I was actually kind of happy... I figured the servers and squads would all form steam-groups and players would join the appropriate group(s)... This would have allowed squads to have an instant blog style place to meet up and communicate (via steam) with chat or voice (yes, I honestly thought people would just use steam for voice chat since it's built in).

I also thought the individual servers would have their own steam groups for communication, announcements, posting events, map rotations, etc...

Me too. They still might, who knows? So many squads aren't making the change over because of the shoddy state of the game. If/when more squads come and if some better features make it into the multiplayer GUI then there might be one.

A chat lobby in game and better integration with steam servers (like l4d2) could have turned out completely differently... then folks who are not into the forums would find the CloD related groups (squads) and servers on steam and we'd all be more of a community....

Instead we are pining for HL (which is great!!!) but it seems like we really just need better mp lobbies in-game that accomodate coop style gameplay and pre-mission chat (and maybe better integration with between the servers and steam itself).

Never played l4d2 but it sounds like a decent system. Maybe even just a button in the multiplayer gui that launches the steam community overlay with the server's steam group.