Friday Update, February 10, 2012

[Al Schlageter]

On pg 91 of the book Messerschmitt Bf109A-E by Radinger/Schick

Performance:

@
0km - 460kph
1km - 480kph
2km - 500kph
3km - 520kph
4km - 540kph
5km - 555kph
6km - 555kph
7km - 550kph

Other data is also shown, ie Flight Limits, Range, Engine Performance at ground level and at altitude.

On the Inet,

Auszüge aus Flugzeugdatenblatt Bf 109 E-1, E-3 nach L.Dv.556/3
http://www.rolfwolf.de/daten/E4/Emil.html

[klem]

Originally Posted by Tvrdi

even the spitfireperformance.com says BF109E should do around 560 max at level

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit1vrs109e.html

IAS and TAS almost the same at sea level.

@Kurfurst - I will test the Emils top level speed tonight and will post results here.....I doubt its only 470 kmh

I've not really studied the 109 very much but I am confused. This isn't meant to be a provocative post, I'm just wondering what it is we are supposed to have in CoD.

Where in that Spitfire Performance chart does it say the 109 does 560kph at S.L. (350 mph) and which 109 variant?
I see:-
BF109E Hochste Waagerechte geschwindingkeit, Flugzeughandbuchn 16 December 1939: 287mph/459kph
Bf109-E1 Nr 1774, 1.3ata, Bayerische Flugzeugwerk, 26.4.38: 302mph/483kph
Bf109-E3 Nr 1792, 1.3kg/cm2, Messprotocoll vom 16.2.39, Mtt A.G. Augsburg:290mph/464kph

500kph according to the Kurfurst site text is the E-3 (Spitfire performance gives the E-3 as 290mph/464kph). The Blatt 6 for E-3 actually shows a corrected 487kph after the test result of 485 using an underperforming engine. The Swiss result for the E-3 is around 470kph and the Kurfurst site uses the assumption that the appropriate supercharger gear was not used to suggest that the result was lower than it should be. The French result shows approximately 487 at ~250m.

My only point is that the specific E model/Engine/Propeller etc should be clear along with the most important question - just which 109E-1 and 109E-3 configurations is CoD supposed to be giving us?

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Regarding CLOD as I predicted some time ago the game is effectively dead, with no plans to add any more aircraft, no dynamic campaign or weather all we can hope for is a fix to finally make the game work without crashing. Maybe if the devs are feeling generous the FM and DM's will get a makeover but other than that the game is finished, to me Luthier as made it quite clear the future is BOM. CLOD was just a way to finance BOM.

If weather is included with BoM it will be available for CoD.

[mazex]

Originally Posted by icarus

Only a sucker would buy BoM if CoD doesn't get fixed.

Wait - your'e calling me a sucker? What!

Seriously - let's face the fact that the project got too long, they restarted it too many times and then the people funding it forced it out on the market a year before the developers where ready... So what do we as the small simulation community earn by "punishing" the team for that? Sure, they have probably made a lot of bad decisions to end up with a half finished product when the publisher pulled the blanket - but really, I spent $50 yesterday buying iRacing just to try it. That kind of money is not the end of the world, it it? It would be another thing if my new Audi would just break down and Audi said: "Sorry, we where forced to release it before it was done...". In this case let's be a bit forgiving with the poor sods over there in Russia working their asses of to continue delivering WWII simulators. How many others are there?

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by Varrattu

By the way: the BF109E-iL2CoD is fitted with a 1200 PS machine.

True, we've got the Aa version in game.

British document states following numbers (quoted as German sources) - mph at SL:

Bf109 283 (465kph)
Hurricane I 246
Hurricane II 268
Spitfire I 282

Not sure how accurate and helpful they are as no information about engine version / MFP and rpm is provided other than corrected BHP at FT height which is 950 for the 601, 965 for Merlin III and 1075 for Merlin XX.

Sounds about right for A-1 at SL, 1.35ata at 2400 rpm though.

[Kurfürst]

Originally Posted by Al Schlageter

On pg 91 of the book Messerschmitt Bf109A-E by Radinger/Schick

Performance:

@
0km - 460kph
1km - 480kph
2km - 500kph
3km - 520kph
4km - 540kph
5km - 555kph
6km - 555kph
7km - 550kph

At what engine rating?

[king1hw]

The only thing I would like to see with all the great data is that they create all the possible variants in development so that us dedicated server creators can progress an awesome online conflict. Also one twin engine fighter bomber would have been ideal. So I am hoping that they are reading this thread because it connects 90% of what this community saw in the pre-production of Cliffs of Dover and I would hope that in the patch they fix all the major graphics issues.

If it is dead on arrival then release the SDK so that this strong community can fix it and make this game and era one of the best. I am sorry I bought the game for the BoB not BoM. However if they keep patching and fixing up until the release and they fix FM and DM and also finish 2 more RAF planes like wellington and beaufighter Then I will be happy and purchase another game for them. If they don't that would really STINK!

[Al Schlageter]

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

At what engine rating?

If you had read the link, Steig/Kampfleistung.

Originally Posted by mazex

but really, I spent $50 yesterday buying iRacing just to try it. That kind of money is not the end of the world, it it?

Says the guy who lives in a rich country. ROFL. 50 bucks for some is like 500 for you, mate. Wake up. And no, its surely not the end of the world. But If you ask me its not the money. Its the game. I want to play it without performance issues. Hopefully I will, after next update.

skål

[Varrattu]

I love these "the machine is underpowered" seances. .

Rumors not have to be true. They must be precise.

Regards Varrattu