Any plans to finally get a re-crypting?

[Storebror]

Originally Posted by EJGr.Ost_Caspar

The mentioned people never have payed for any access granted - they swelled in

You didn't get a single word of the story, sorry.

Originally Posted by MicroWave

Your request to get the source code of DT.dll from Daidalos Team (or any other part of the code, for that matter) is denied.
Reasons are explained above by mkubani.

While the reasons aren't, the statement is clear and understood.

Thanks and best regards - Mike

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

You neigher.

@Admins: Thread could be locked now.

[Robo.]

Originally Posted by Storebror

While the reasons aren't, the statement is clear and understood.

Hi Mike,

I would say the reasons are also very clear - the source code is not to be shared with any 3rd party as per legal agreements between DT and 1c.

The DLL has been used to introduce new features like 6DoF and new AI routines and one should not seek any further motives beyond it's existence. You've been told this already and although you don't seem to be convinced, there is nothing much that can be said about that. Following your allegory, I would say that this is not ew door installed on the house, it's rather a new chimney, and the inhabitants (invited or not, naked or not) can use it if they wish. The key still fits the front door.

Regards
Rob

[Storebror]

The bottom line indeed seems to be reached now that we all got it clear, plain and simple that the modding community will not get the required sources in order to further modify the functionalities which now have been shifted into this particular library.

As per legal restrictions, yes, I get that TD has no permission to distribute any sources where 1C is involved. That's sad but it wasn't of any concern as java sources, as long as they ain't obfuscated, can easily be decompiled back into readable and editable format, in contrast to c/c++ sources as we have them in this library.
Now that this library has not been written by 1C but solely by TD (confirm?) and it does not call any particular code back into IL-2 but vice versa, IL-2 just makes use of functions exported by this library, no legal rights of 1C are concerned, it's as much as the distribution of my so called "IL-2 selector" sources are concerned by 1C legal properties.

That's where I say the reasons have not been given, we just got some official version of it. Nevertheless I got the message and I'm confident anyone else got it, too.

Thanks and best regards - Mike

[MicroWave]

Originally Posted by Storebror

The bottom line indeed seems to be reached now that we all got it clear, plain and simple that the modding community will not get the required sources in order to further modify the functionalities which now have been shifted into this particular library.

Plain and simple, the modding community does NOT require sources in order to modify the game or those particular features. What you're saying is FALSE. Just to clarify for some readers who might be confused by this issue: supplying compiled code (Java or C/C++) with the patch is NOT re-encrypting.

Originally Posted by Storebror

As per legal restrictions, yes, I get that TD has no permission to distribute any sources where 1C is involved. That's sad but it wasn't of any concern as java sources, as long as they ain't obfuscated, can easily be decompiled back into readable and editable format, in contrast to c/c++ sources as we have them in this library.

So it's not enough that owners of intellectual right and copyright are turning a blind eye on modding of parts of the Software which were never meant to be modified? Now modding has to be made easy? You've got to be kidding me. There are loads of games that were successfully modded which had zero (0) lines of code written in Java and without access to the source code.
Do "requirements" of modding community take precedence over what and how we develop our content? What about customers who do not wish to use mods for one reason or another? There was exactly zero (0) effort from DT side to prevent modding in this patch.
What you are asking for is impossible. Not only we are not obliged to grant your request, we are legally bound not to do so.
For completeness sake, we are aware, and I'm sure large portion of modding community is also aware, of the fact that when we introduce changes in the code (be it Java or C/C++ or whatever), certain mods will not work out of the box on top of the latest patch. There is almost nothing we can do about that.
Please note that this does not brake functionality of the mods on top of the previous patch.
And for the record, I and other DT members helped, in this very forum, on several occasions users who had "My QMB got stuck when I hit fly in 4.11" problem. No questions asked.

Originally Posted by Storebror

Now that this library has not been written by 1C but solely by TD (confirm?) and it does not call any particular code back into IL-2 but vice versa, IL-2 just makes use of functions exported by this library, no legal rights of 1C are concerned, it's as much as the distribution of my so called "IL-2 selector" sources are concerned by 1C legal properties.

Check the loading screen and pay attention to the logos on the bottom left. I'm pretty sure none of the entities concerned have waived or transferred their rights regarding the Software in question.

Originally Posted by Storebror

That's where I say the reasons have not been given, we just got some official version of it.
Nevertheless I got the message and I'm confident anyone else got it, too.

Accusing us of lying is just rude, man. I do not want to go there.

Best regards,
MicroWave

[Storebror]

Now that all statements have been given and things have been clarified in depth, did we forget anything?

Best regards - Mike

[Storebror]

Fine, hope you feel better now. Anything else?

Best regards - Mike

[Jumoschwanz]

I never had a problem with hacks and utilities that work with IL2 without compromising it's compatibility or add practical capability. I was pretty clear about what I have a problem with and that is those who thought their aircraft should have more speed etc. and did not have enough patience to wait for it to be done correctly.

The hackers could have worked with Oleg and friends, not splintered the community and helped progress with IL2, but they did not. They created multiple versions of IL2 that are not compatible with the official version nor with each other, and none of which have the quality or stability of the original.

They certainly don't sell it that way to new IL2 enthusiasts though, each of the hackers has done the greatest thing in the world, and much better than the official version if you ask them or those not bright enough to see what was and is going on...

[TheGrunch]

Originally Posted by Storebror

Fine, hope you feel better now. Anything else?

Best regards - Mike

I really don't understand why you feel you have also purchased the right to access the source code of the game along with your copy of the game itself, just because it was originally conveniently released in a language which could be decompiled once its data files were decrypted without authorisation. Even if most EULAs aren't worth the hard-drive space they are written onto, there will certainly be a provision in the license for Il-2 which prohibits reverse engineering. Regardless of legality I can't think of any marketplace for software in which users expect to receive the source code for the software for no extra charge. Il-2 was not free open source software when you bought it and it still isn't. You had better get used to that. The fact that DT are not obstructing modders in any way should be enough.

[Aracno]

Originally Posted by stovak

Yes, something has been forgotten - so far everyone has been too polite to point out what an obnoxious pratt you are being.

There is no reason insulting Storebror, he is asking, we are responding.
You are not helping us this way.
Insulting is always wrong, we must respect all.