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[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Good Grief, that looks disgusting. And usually I love disgusting looking food.

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Land Lease started much earlier, so did US involvement in the Atlantic.

Yep I know, but I believe Stern was referring to American Involvement in the European Air War.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

But those convoys weren't bringing Spitfires, Hurricanes or even Merlins, so what exact American supplies were used in the early part of the war by the Brits?

Now I just did spend some time with internet research about finding some information what kind of stuff those convoys brought in, only found the canadian ones, and those include iron ore, crude oil, alloys, fuel and lub oil. Given the situation in the Atlantic, the fact that Britian was down to two weeks of provisions in 41 due to the U-Boat threat and highly vulnerable to import ruptures in general, I dare say american involvement both in regards to Land Lease and ressources in keeping up aircraft production and operation was vital at that point already.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

what exact American supplies were used in the early part of the war by the Brits?

100 octane fuel is the first that springs to mind.

[TomcatViP]

Didn't you eared anything abt UK being short in supplies like food (meat, beans, sugar, coffee...), aluminium, rubber, ball bearing...

C'mon all those liberty ships were not carrying only Soda, Chewing Gum and Jazz music

Oh yeah I agree the industrial readiness of the UK airpower was much higher than most of Eu counterpart including the mighty German industry but this was not an easy result and history hve shown they went "lucky". It went past near a big disaster and only individuals commitment made it past (think abt the shadow factory story with the head of the plant being sacked off went it was evident he has failed - such thing does not happen so early in a fascist regime).

So th eresult was pretty obvious : a democratic regime will prevail even after suffering great losses.

Without rewriting history, the fact that Hitler has stomached more than he was expecting and his eyes were furiously looking on the east made it happens that way. It's always good to remember instead of looking down-to super natural things.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Now I just did spend some time with internet research about finding some information what kind of stuff those convoys brought in, only found the canadian ones, and those include iron ore, crude oil, alloys, fuel and lub oil. Given the situation in the Atlantic, the fact that Britian was down to two weeks of provisions in 41 due to the U-Boat threat and highly vulnerable to import ruptures in general, I dare say american involvement both in regards to Land Lease and ressources in keeping up aircraft production and operation was vital at that point already.

and here lies another very important aspect of the Brits performance during the early conflict, those supply ships were being sunk at an alrming rate initially, but the Brits managed to take control of that situation too without the Americans direct involvement, it's all good and well claiming the Brits wouldn't have achieved anything without US support, being an island nation there was little choice but to have supplies imported from a friendly nation, at the time the US was under no obligations and could have pulled support at any time, if it wasn't for the sucesses of the British they would have....for obvious reasons.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

and here lies another very important aspect of the Brits performance during the early conflict, those supply ships were being sunk at an alrming rate initially, but the Brits managed to take control of that situation too without the Americans direct involvement, it's all good and well claiming the Brits wouldn't have achieved anything without US support, being an island nation there was little choice but to have supplies imported from a friendly nation, at the time the US was under no obligations and could have pulled support at any time, if it wasn't for the sucesses of the British they would have....for obvious reasons.

Nobody talks about "direct" involvement, though, or denies the obvious achievements of the british in this time period.

[bongodriver]

No there really are some people saying the Brits achievements paled compared to the Americans floating some petrol our way.

[KG26_Alpha]

Well they were not giving it away either..........business is business.



Anyway back to the YT clip, I hope this sim/game continues without "balancing" .





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[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

No there really are some people saying the Brits achievements paled compared to the Americans floating some petrol our way.

From an .....impartial*coughcough* position, the Russians, the British and the Americans all want to lay claim on certain achievements they only really realized by working together. None alone would have come as far as they did without the others.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

Anyway back to the YT clip, I hope this sim/game continues without "balancing".

Particularly if it's James Holland's idea of 'balancing', for sure.