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Originally Posted by swiss

Really?
Btw, I was surprised the Iranians could take over a CIA drone - maybe the western electronic edge is no more.

If by "take over" you mean find out where it crashed, then yes, "they took it over".

[trashcanman]

Originally Posted by speculum jockey

If by "take over" you mean find out where it crashed, then yes, "they took it over".

The Iranians hacked the drones GPS and reprogrammed it to land at one of their airbases when its comms link was jammed and it went into automatic go home mode. So yes, they took it over.

Video feeds from drones have been intercepted by insurgents in both Iraq and Afghanistan. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8419147.stm

Originally Posted by trashcanman

The Iranians hacked the drones GPS and reprogrammed it to land at one of their airbases when its comms link was jammed and it went into automatic go home mode. So yes, they took it over.

Video feeds from drones have been intercepted by insurgents in both Iraq and Afghanistan. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8419147.stm

The video feed and the the guidance connection are two entirely different animals. The vid feed is open for ease of access to ground troops and whatever friendly forces are in the area. They've known about this for years, but it is not in any way a danger to the UAV.

The guidance systems are heavily encrypted and were not hacked, and it did no land anywhere, it crashed. The Iranians were given tons of Russian jamming equipment for just this sort of situation. When they knew there was a UAV in the area they turned all their jamming equipment to max to that every signal was blocked and you couldn't even make a cell phone call if you were on top of a cell tower. The drone lost connection, and did a circling pattern while it tried to regain connection with home. When it ran out of gas it crashed (mostly intact) and now the Iranians have a massive propaganda tool and have probably already sold the parts to China and Russia so they can try and reverse engineer things.

They in no way "hacked" that drone.

[Viking]

@Speculum jockey
Obviously it's not only the Iranians who are subjects to propaganda. I probably knows as little as you do about the incident but: It did not happen that way!

Viking

[TomcatViP]

This drone have no sensitive stealth tech (see the drone histo).

Originally Posted by Viking

@Speculum jockey
Obviously it's not only the Iranians who are subjects to propaganda. I probably knows as little as you do about the incident but: It did not happen that way!

Viking

Read your post over again. . . let it sink in.

Originally Posted by cheesehawk

Your sources? My dad works for Lockheed, and while he won't say what happened, he does have the clearance for the raw data and the need to review it. It wasn't "hacked" as in high-jacked at all.

Has he ever shown you pictures of the room that they have filled with taxpayer money that they have their orgies in? (just kidding). I have an uncle who works for Honeywell Canada's Aerospace division and he's actually done a lot of UAV work with Lockheed. He laughed a hearty laugh when the Iranians claimed to have "hacked" the guidance.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by cheesehawk

Your sources? My dad works for Lockheed, and while he won't say what happened, he does have the clearance for the raw data and the need to review it. It wasn't "hacked" as in high-jacked at all.

Actually, I think only the Iranians know what really happened.
If the CIA lost contact at some point, there cant be any data of that period to review - unless you get hold of the drone itself.

Originally Posted by speculum jockey

He laughed a hearty laugh when the Iranians claimed to have "hacked" the guidance.

Any news about that key-/inputlogging virus which was in the media a some time ago?
But it doesn't really matter whether you hack or jam it, the result is the loss of one of those things.

It's not just about speed and turn rate anymore, we stopped worrying about that 20years ago

And 50years ago, they thought they dont need onboard cannons anymore....

This is an Aussie evaluation, although not an official one.
http://www.ausairpower.net/jsf.html

[addman]

Originally Posted by speculum jockey

The video feed and the the guidance connection are two entirely different animals. The vid feed is open for ease of access to ground troops and whatever friendly forces are in the area. They've known about this for years, but it is not in any way a danger to the UAV.

The guidance systems are heavily encrypted and were not hacked, and it did no land anywhere, it crashed. The Iranians were given tons of Russian jamming equipment for just this sort of situation. When they knew there was a UAV in the area they turned all their jamming equipment to max to that every signal was blocked and you couldn't even make a cell phone call if you were on top of a cell tower. The drone lost connection, and did a circling pattern while it tried to regain connection with home. When it ran out of gas it crashed (mostly intact) and now the Iranians have a massive propaganda tool and have probably already sold the parts to China and Russia so they can try and reverse engineer things.

They in no way "hacked" that drone.

That's funny, by the pictures we've seen of the captured drone it doesn't look very "crashed" to me. Maybe it crashed from an altitude of 3 meters at a speed of 8 km/h LOL!

[TomcatViP]

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Originally Posted by addman

That's funny, by the pictures we've seen of the captured drone it doesn't look very "crashed" to me. Maybe it crashed from an altitude of 3 meters at a speed of 8 km/h LOL!

The drone, when it loses contact will start a circular flight pattern until it regains contact with its guidance signal. Since it's a flying wing it has excellent gliding characteristics and when it crashed it most likely skidded to a halt on a relatively flat area of land. Crashing doesn't always mean there is a Hollywood fireball at the site, especially when your aircraft is out of fuel.

As for the key logger, it wasn't a virus, but instead a portion of the code used for error checking. Nothing sinister at all.

Finally. People who are saying, "it was hacked, and then they took control and told it to land at one of their airstrips". . . . REALLY?

You think that the guidance encryption is going to be something that's easily broken? Also once it is broken whoever did it now told the UAV to land at a runway that isn't programmed into it's system, using an operating system that they have probably never seen before in their life. That's some seriously unlikely "what ifs".

The real answer is usually the simple one. They jammed, it crashed, they gloated.